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Title: NS reduced to 2 years
Description: The reaction to recent annoucement.


sgboy2004 - June 15, 2004 03:26 PM (GMT)
Now NS reduced to 2 years... so good for those going in soon.

Wonder can refund my extra 0.5 years or not? :lol:

BlackJack - June 15, 2004 03:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (sgboy2004 @ Jun 15 2004, 11:26 PM)
Now NS reduced to 2 years... so good for those going in soon.

Wonder can refund my extra 0.5 years or not? :lol:

i see that croco is here too.. and getting quite comfy! ;)

sgboy2004 - June 15, 2004 04:11 PM (GMT)
Yes, Croco is here too :D

*looks around to see who is here too*

Alucard - June 15, 2004 08:05 PM (GMT)
Doesnt make any difference for me. Serve 2 years and F**k off but my unlucky frens who made it up to coporal wat can i say. Too bad lor. Mayb can request for those who serve 2 1/2 yrs do 1 less reservist lor.

sgboy2004 - June 16, 2004 01:38 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Alucard @ Jun 16 2004, 04:05 AM)
Doesnt make any difference for me. Serve 2 years and F**k off but my unlucky frens who made it up to coporal wat can i say. Too bad lor. Mayb can request for those who serve 2 1/2 yrs do 1 less reservist lor.

u from Armour???

Alucard - June 16, 2004 03:24 AM (GMT)
Yup

kopiosatu - June 16, 2004 07:54 AM (GMT)
what to do... serve then serve already lor... sometimes asking for a refund is a waste of time...

btw, ICT has already been cut down before this was implemented

yghee - June 17, 2004 01:46 AM (GMT)
yes. now u need to do only 10 ICT - at least 7 high and 3 low.
cheers. :D

Si Geena - June 17, 2004 05:31 AM (GMT)
My concern is that there was hardly any buzz in the air before the annoucement. It feels like this decision was reached before any discussion on its implications were made thoroughly.

cavsg - June 17, 2004 05:41 AM (GMT)
when I was in the af about ten years ago, there was talk to shorten it but only to those combat units, those not combat vocations like technicians will serve the same or longer. they look at the taiwan model that time.

BlackJack - June 17, 2004 02:48 PM (GMT)
actually i have a question

2 yrs - is this inclusive of PTP, meaning those who are enlisted into BMT directly actually only serve 1 yr 10 mths?

sgboy2004 - June 18, 2004 06:10 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (yghee @ Jun 17 2004, 09:46 AM)
yes. now u need to do only 10 ICT - at least 7 high and 3 low.
cheers. :D

anyway, it is not going to affect mi as mi no reservist :P

cavsg - June 21, 2004 11:44 AM (GMT)
Shorter NS makes sense, say experts

Move in line with other armed forces, which are also focusing on technology to reduce large armies

By Alexis Hooi and Goh Chin Lian

THE decision of the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) to shorten the duration of national service (NS) by six months to two years makes good sense, said leading defence analysts.

They added that the move here is in line with the developments seen in other armed forces, which are similarly focusing on technology as one way to cut down on large armies.

British defence specialist Tim Huxley, senior fellow for Asia-Pacific Security at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, agreed that, given the SAF's exploitation of new technology and its transformation into a technology-intensive military, 'the looming demographic bulge might have resulted in larger than necessary full-time NS intakes'.

Dr Huxley, who also authored Defending The Lion City: The Armed Forces Of Singapore in 2000, was responding to queries from The Straits Times over the shortening of the NS training duration announced by Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean in Parliament last Tuesday.

Two factors made this possible. The first is the transformation of the SAF into a technology-intensive military force less reliant on numbers. The other factor: a surge in NS intake for the next 10 years, due to a mini-baby boom after the Dragon Year of 1988, which persisted into the mid-1990s.

Dr Huxley said Singapore is not alone in becoming less reliant on numbers. 'The exploitation of new technologies has allowed armed forces in many Western European countries to maintain, or even increase, their capabilities even while reducing personnel strength,' he said.

But it is unlikely that Singapore - with its small population - could follow its European counterparts and eliminate conscription and reservist service entirely.

Also, as the nature of warfare is changing, the crucial challenge facing the SAF is 'to develop concepts of warfare that allow the adaptation of new technologies to the full spectrum of security challenges', which include terrorism, piracy and peacekeeping.

Even with these new challenges, Dr Andrew Tan of the Institute of Defence and Strategic Studies, believes that two years is sufficient to train any combat soldier.

Plus, the cut in NS duration will have little impact on operational readiness as the bulk of the SAF troops are in the reserves.

He added that the greater use of technology will augment the SAF's firepower and make up for smaller forces.

At the same time, Dr Tan said, the collective will to win and shed blood for the country is still what makes armies effective fighting units.

It is this same psychological preparedness - to protect the interests of Singaporeans - that Rear-Admiral (NS) Teo said is important in dealing with the threat of terrorism.

He made the comment yesterday morning after observing a joint rescue and evacuation exercise at the Pasir Ris MRT station, which simulated a terrorist bomb attack on a train.

About 1,000 residents, students and personnel from the civil defence, police and armed forces took part in the exercise.

When asked about the feedback he had received on his parliamentary speech on how going high-tech has allowed for a shorter NS training period, Rear-Adm Teo said it had been positive so far.

Still, he added, there were some people who had secured deferment earlier and now wanted to serve the two years, compared with others in their cohort who had served 2 1/2 years.

'As with any policy, there'll be people who wish they were better off. We'll look at all the appeals that they have and consider them,' he said.

A Mindef spokesman said the bulk of more than 200 queries the ministry received as of noon last Friday was from those who had deferred their NS.

Most of the queries centred on eligibility for a shorter training period.
Shorter NS makes sense, say experts

sgboy2004 - June 28, 2004 03:45 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (BlackJack @ Jun 17 2004, 10:48 PM)
actually i have a question

2 yrs - is this inclusive of PTP, meaning those who are enlisted into BMT directly actually only serve 1 yr 10 mths?

pardon my ignorance, but wat is PTP???

Obersturmfuhrer - July 4, 2004 07:43 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (yghee @ Jun 17 2004, 09:46 AM)
yes. now u need to do only 10 ICT - at least 7 high and 3 low.
cheers. :D

Is this applicable to all those in the midst or just starting their 13-year cycles? Or is it only applicable to these lucky 2-year NSF pricks?

gary1910 - July 5, 2004 08:34 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Obersturmfuhrer @ Jul 5 2004, 03:43 AM)
QUOTE (yghee @ Jun 17 2004, 09:46 AM)
yes. now u need to do only 10 ICT - at least 7 high and 3 low.
cheers. :D

Is this applicable to all those in the midst or just starting their 13-year cycles? Or is it only applicable to these lucky 2-year NSF pricks?

It is across the board, but you noe SAF, there is no standard even in the 13th year cycles.

I know some ppl who went thru more high keys that those from units, this is becos they are under Bde/Div, especially those rare vocations and number is small, so no choice always kena arrowed for major exe.

A friend of mine from armour unit has his ICTs cut down and supposed to be ROD.
(received watch and medal), not sure he is tsill getting SAF100.

I from infantry also cut down 1 ICT becos I hv already done 7 high and 3 low and also received my watch & medal but fxxk, the SAF still sent me SAF100 for annual 2 days special training ( dunno remember the name of the training) & BCTC till the end of my 13th year cycle!!!!!! :huh:

When they have insufficient ppl, NS men like me kena arrow, old or new regulations dun matters!!!! :angry:

Obersturmfuhrer - July 5, 2004 05:49 PM (GMT)
So it is OK to assume that anyone doing their 10th ICT this year should be ROD soon?

gary1910 - July 6, 2004 05:23 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Obersturmfuhrer @ Jul 6 2004, 01:49 AM)
So it is OK to assume that anyone doing their 10th ICT this year should be ROD soon?

Yup, if you have 7 ICT in those 10 years, you should received your National Service medal and the Swiss Army watch from SAF, which usually given after the old 13th years cycle.

As I said , I'm still getting SAF100s!!!!

Looking at my record, I have gone thru 7 ICTs, 1 training course, 1 BIT, 4 BCTCs, 1 SAF Day parade, 5 Mobs and this year another BCTC, maybe next year one more BIT. Within those years, still have briefings,non ICT IPPT etc.

For my case , no more ICT but still have those 2 days BCTC and BIT to complete the 13 years!!!!

Other units maybe different, my friend said that he suppose to be ROD, not sure whether he is still getting SAF100 this year.


Obersturmfuhrer - July 6, 2004 06:23 AM (GMT)
I think its because of the age liability. Even thought the NS man has completed his 10/13 year ICT cycles, he is still liable to be called up. Officers have an age liability of 50 years while WOSEs are at 40 years.

gary1910 - July 6, 2004 05:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Obersturmfuhrer @ Jul 6 2004, 02:23 PM)
I think its because of the age liability. Even thought the NS man has completed his 10/13 year ICT cycles, he is still liable to be called up. Officers have an age liability of 50 years while WOSEs are at 40 years.

The SAF do watever they want, you noe there is such thing called recycle!!

Kena one suay loh!




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