Singapore opt for Black shark.....
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Singapore selects Black Shark torpedo
Italy's Whitehead Alenia Sistemi Subacquai (WASS) is to supply its Black Shark wire-guided heavyweight torpedo to the Republic of Singapore Navy (RSN), industry sources have...
10-May-2007

is this a fact or rumour?

Chosen already!? Wow. Last I heard they were evaluating it against the DM2A4.

hi YF,

Black Shark is the attack helo right?

:lol: No lah, Saya my friend. I'm pretty sure it's the torp of the same name spidy's talking about.

ok... for a moment I tot we were increasing our attack chopper fleet... and using Russian ones too! Wow! Black Shark Torpedos!! We are getting serious.... those fellas are mighty good from what is written...

"This wire-guided torpedo features:
Excellent endurance
High speed, thanks to high energy density AgO/Al batteries
Unprecedented safety, thanks to electric propulsion and a high-stability warhead immune to accidental detonation
A high-performance, multi-frequency acorstic head with proven capabilities against low-noise targets in deep or shallow water and environments with high backgrornd noise levels" quote from the web...

Could we be getting this to equalise the possible threat from MY Scorpenes ? I mean provided the MY are not also using this torp... but if they are we are just levelling the playing field....

What's our subs currently using?? Same as those installed in our PVs??

Our PV are currently carrying the Italian Aleina white-head torpedoes. I was wondering with bigger vessels purchsed why not upgrade the torpedoes as well? Why not get things like SUBROC, Mark50 or Mark48, these torpedoes offer greater range and larger warheads

yep the torp....the DM2A4 and Torp 2000 lost....go to the national library at Bras Basah road reference section JDW latest.

Black shark for submarine lah lah not for PV or Frigate....anyway Mindef are not making any comment, so say the magazine.

saw from somewhere that the msians and chileans will be using it on their scorpenes....

Back in 2004….

Black Shark Heavyweight Torpedo
Whitehead Div., Alenia Defesa, Finmeccanica (Europe)
Whitehead Division of Alenia Difesa – a member of the Finmechanica group, presented a full scale version of its Black Shark dual purpose, wire guided Heavyweight torpedo, equipped with one of the Astra acoustic head and a new powerful propulsion system. The Black Shark is also equipped with an advanced sensor capability, allowing the target classification function even in very complex and unfavorable underwater scenarios. This weapon was developed for the Italian Navy requirements and was later selected to equip the Chilean and Malaysian Scorpene class submarines and is considered a strong candidate for the Indian selection, if a Scorpene design will be selected here as well.

From St Pg...Italy uses the A.184 series of torpedoes. The latest version, the Black Shark, can go up to 92 kilometers per hour, and reach out to 20 kilometers.

Portuguese government intends to buy 24 torpedoes "Black Shark" to equip the two new submarines of the Navy, for 46,2 million euros. Or either, each torpedo will cost 2 million euros…but seems did not press ahead.

More Black Shark Torpedo stuff (got pix)
http://www.dcn.fr/us/offre/equipements/blackshark.html
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/type_212/
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/scorpene/
http://www.finmeccanica.it/Holding/EN/Busi...dotti/index.sdo

Blackshark(formerly A184 Advanced); offered by French DCN and Whitehead Alenia Sistemi Subacquei (WASS). Features quieter electric propulsion, new acoustic head multi-beam ASTRA active/passive sonar, multi-target guidance, and counter-countermeasures.
Designed with the Astra seeker and fibre-optic wire guidance.
The new ASTRA (Advanced Sonar Transmitting and Receiving Architecture) seeker features a flat planar array and for longer ranges can operate at 15 kHz. Signal and data processing will include spatial and frequency filtering, echo elongation, angular extension and spatial coherence analysis together with DEMON analysis. These parts and the afterbody will be produced by WASS. The brushless drive motor will permit speed changes in 1 kt increments and will provide a higher maximum speed. improved range and less radiated noise, power being provided by Aluminium-Silver Oxide batteries, exploiting technology of the MU 90 Impact (qv). French sources suggest that lithium-ion module batteries might be considered for future torpedo programmes which might include IF 21. The motor section together with warhead and fuze system will be produced by DCN.


Hmmm…Black Shark torpedo used on SSK Scorpene Attack Submarine & U212 / U214 Attack Submarines.... B) B)

thats what i read somewhere also....

Blacksharks for Msian Scorpenes - thats in the Swedish Sub thread here :D
this is dual purpose, heavyweights for surface RSN vessels as well later?

i thought you can launch Blackshark from vastergotland? anyway the report is from JDW and never confirm by RSN. Maybe we are replacing the old old torp meant for Sjoormen.....

Both classes also can deploy, thru 533mm tubes
The swedes Bofors 613s , and also the newer bofors torp 2000
They like their bofors and RSN like WASS I guess ;)

whats picked for the 400mm ?

This is interesting. French Torpedoes on Swedish Subs.

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Singapore selects Black Shark torpedo
Italy's Whitehead Alenia Sistemi Subacquai (WASS) is to supply its Black Shark wire-guided heavyweight torpedo to the Republic of Singapore Navy (RSN), industry sources have...
10-May-2007

Blackshark is actually a DCN/WASS joint product. It is also a French Torpedo.

:D How does French-Italian sound?

To be exact, it is a WASS developed product, DCN charged with the marketing. So theortically, it is an Italian torpedo. DCN is just there don't know to do what.

JDW article from ef/x of http://forum.cari.com.my/viewthread.php?ti...&extra=page%3D1

Thanks, Spidy!

It is hard to believe that an Italian fish will be more superior than the German. I think ultimately, it is the "cost vs benefit" ratio that won them the deal. Furthermore, if RMN is buying the same torps, then, there will be no distinct advantages or disadvantages having the same weapon.... just my opinion.

Having the same weapon has more advantage than disadvantages for RSN.

Remember the Falkland wars when both the Brits and Argentineans using the same weapon but the Brits figured out the weakness of the weapon?

...or so that RMN see no threatening disadvantage compared to RSN, since the torps are the same and RSN uses much older boats.

or we can share spares :)

Lol, in peacetime exchange spares, in war exchange torpedos.

Anyway, I did some searching on the Black Shark. Apparently the Black Shark uses two types of batteries, Silver Zinc for exercise shots, and Aluminium Silver-oxide for the warshots. The Aluminium Silver oxide battery is expected to give it a performance of more than 50 knots for a range of around 60km (this figure probably for low speed settings), compared to the Siver Zinc which provides a speed of 45 kts and around 45km range. The BlackShark has a variable speed of 1kt increments comapred to 2 speed settings of earlier variants, and it uses a fibre optic cable. This allows the torpedo to operate as an offboard sensor for the sub's combat system. Has a wake-homing capability for ASuW, but I'm not so sure that will be useful in a 'neutral-rich' environment, though it can be useful as a counter counter-measure feature.

- The wheeled IFV programme is aimed to equip 3 battalions....

- Gen Ng said it was envisaged the navy & air force share the air defence picture.....

- In line to be replaced is Rapier.....for which RFI has already been release - followed by the RBS70 in the next 5 yrs and MIM-23B I-HAWK in around 8 yrs....

all these news read the articles below....

I was hoping that RSN would consider getting a LHD and also another new class of stealth corvette / light frigate that will carry phased array radar.

For the wheeled IFV requirements, does anyone have anymore info on who are the other contenders and which vehicles are involved? Please?

Oh I'm equally curious as well.

Looking at the market now, perhaps the other contenders will be the Stryker or the Piranha.

IIRC, they are looking at end of 2008 for a operational vehicle?

Strange if true, why not FRES finalist VBCI or Boxer?

Stryker is much lighter than the AV81. So is Piranha III.

Will Piranha VI or Piranha V be included too?

Hybrid electric technology?

Wish there could be more details put out for public.

VBCI or Boxer as wheeled APCs are nice. But at the end of the day, Terrex seems the likely choice.........

sources from Wiki (if it is true) have suggested that 300 terrex were bought in 2006.....don't tell me this is to equip the 3 bns?

Why are there so many articles reporting on SG military and defence capabilities? The newly acquired and developong capabilities must have interest the analysts a lot... :rolleyes:

The things that the soldiers are wearing plus all the stuff on their weapon looks very "overkill" to me. It is hard to believe someone can fight effectively with this get-up.