Hi

Have been doing some reseach lately on our Cadillac Gage V200. A bit surprise that thare are not much written on this vechile. Understand this is the only version used by SAF. Can anyone shed some light on our particular Wheel AFV?

What is the different between the V200 and V150?

cheers

not sure if you meant to say is: "V200 is only used by the SAF."

Try this > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_Gage_Commando#V-200

From Mindef's official history....

The V-200 is a wheeled APC that belongs to an American family of vehicles known as the Commando. The V-200 version is unique to Singapore and was Singapore's first APC when it entered service in 1970. It came in a number of versions with the basic vehicle being armed with a 20mm cannon. With the introduction of the M113 APC, it was transferred to the People's Defence Force (PDF) and Singapore Air Defence Artillery (SADA), where it serves as the launch vehicle for the RBS 70 SAM system, and the RSAF's Field Defence Squadrons.

That is not the only role for the V200, given the numbers acquired. Especially for those of us who are trained on using it (and I'm not going to say more on their role). The V200 will remain in service for some time yet. BTW, I'm not a fan of the V200.

its scary watching them traverse Area D, swaying and pitching from side to side.

they are really loud. can hear em very clearly at night even though they are about 400-600m away

Understand they are re-engine with a new diesel power pack and make more reliable and at least not as fire hazard as the petrol version.

Also I read somewhere (Osprey New Vanguard) that the overal dimension is slightly longer than the stardard V100/v150. Also the if I not mistaken, the suspension is much strenghten. Any one have the dimensional different?

Side track a bit. I am planning to modify the current HobbyBoss V150 to the V200. So every information would be useful especially Photos

cheers

IIRC, changi air base has one mounted outside for display.

its on the main route to changi village, when u drive by and pass by the entry point into changi air base, at the gate there is a V-200 ( i think, might be an older V-150. no way of telling for sure unless examined in person)

usually got V-200s parked around the gate as well (base patrol vehicle) . can drive by and observe discreetly i suppose.

There's always Army Open House or RSAF Open House pics to refer to. :lol:

The V150s are the newer compared to the V100s and V200s for Singapore.

I'm not too sure of the dimensions between the V200 and V150. According to Janes - we operate both. If making a model – do check the upper deck and rear top areas (between the V200 and V150).

I've been in both the older and upgraded army versions of the V200. The upgraded ones had the winch in the front removed. The upper areas are roughen with anti-slip material (can’t remember what it’s called) to allow crews to climb on top. Apart from that, it looks just like the original. Most of the upgrades are internal. Also, there are command and recovery versions as well.

I’ve not seen the recent ones, so I don’t know if there are further modifications (i.e. Position of antennas, racks, etc).

the development history of V-200 documented in the book "The Singapore Armed Forces" published in 1981:

"For the armour infantry, a suitable vehicle had to be found, and the V-100 was considered for the purpose. It was intended to mount a 90mm gun on the vehicle, but this was not feasible as the weapon was incompatible with the turret. Instead, MID and Cadillac Gage, the manufacturer of the V-100, worked out specifications for a larger version of the vehicle that could accommodate the 90mm gun; this came to be known as the V-200. The final proposals for the V-200 were made in April 1968 and a few months later, a firm decision to buy the vehicle was made. The first prototype rolled out of the factory on 1st April 1969. This prototype met an ignominous fate shortly after when, at a demonstration, the over-confident crew drove it into the Jurong River with its hatches open and, quite simply, the vehicle sank.

Despite this, and after much rigorous testing, the V-200 was found to be satisfactory and in July 1970, the first shipment was delivered."

Here's two at the 2006 RSAF Open House...

http://www.pbase.com/wintersonata/image/66460370

but yet by the mid 70s we have decided to go for the M113. the first armoured engineer M113 (MID 6600) was logged from 1976 IIRC, and I assume the AI versions would be acquired/delivered slightly earlier than that.

I'm not surprised. Janes also reports some were installed with 90mm MECAR guns besides the more widely reported 20mm.

http://www.janes.com/extracts/extract/jaa/jaa_0358.html

Forgot to post the link for the earlier quote.

http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/about_us/...08_history.html

i recall somewhere in the SAF thread @ military photos net there was an out-of-the-blue technical query on the V200. Don't think the query was ever answered.

Saw few of those during my nsf days at amoy quee camp....

this thread got me interested again in those old clunkers and i did some digging.

much information may be found in this thread:

http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/122032


one poster in the thread states that he is a veteran of the said V200 unit and notes that the V200's role there:

is to provide transport(battlefield taxi) for the troops.. and provide fire support for the infantry and also involve in coastal defence.

given that V200s in this unit are tasked with fire support, and that most 20mm and RBS70 vehicles are with RSAF, one may surmise that this is where the 90mm-armed V200s continue to serve.

that this unit is so low profile could mean it is somewhat sensitive though, for whatever reason.


edit:this pdf gives force numbers for our V200s.

Yup, I was in a former infantry unit (that has MRed) that also had a 'familiarization ride' in the V200, when we were posted in 2PDF (towards the end of our reserve cycle). Like tvdog (who was in 173 SIR), we had a normal maneuver infantry role (and did not do any trench digging training during our 3 years in PDF).

We should not further discuss the role of 32SIB (save by PM), other than to say that they exist.

I was in the Guards brigade that used the V200s, and it was more than a 'familiarization ride'. Its been years and things will change. The vehicles have been upgraded and will eventually be phased out.

Stating open information:

There is at least 1 book by some guards unit (active in those days) and they publish a book for completing their NSF. In it are V-200s. I saw that book in the National Library in the SEA/SINGAPORE section on the 10/11th? floor. The unit was in the 80s

There is a pic of the 90mm armed V200 on slide 19.

http://www.system-safety.org/~issc_2006/Lui-int-l lunch wednesday.pdf

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http://www.system-safety.org/~issc_2006/Lu...20wednesday.pdf

Thank you for the link, great source of information

Mk84

There is a Cadillac Gage V200 with turret displayed outside of the Army Museum of Singapore.

Just curious: Which unit in the SAF still uses them and what for? I still see them driving around from time to time.

RSAF Field Defence Squadron are still using the Cadillac Gage V200 Armoured Fighting Vehicle(AFV) with RBS70 and GPMG.

The static vehicles display outside the Army Museum of Singapore, some are in bad shape, the area is dangerous for children as there is a shallow canal beside it and it is full of mosquitoes.

Moss on the V200.



Rust and dirt.



http://www.flickr.com/photos/xtemujin/sets...57624192081208/

HTH.

Oh hmm, didn't know that. I always thought they were part of some OPFOR group. Once caught sight of one with a gun barrel painted blue before as well... quirky.

I've not seen it on the road before, only at the airforce bases like TAB and PLAB.

HTH.

As posted in earlier posts, the army uses them as well. The V200s do go on the roads for exercises, although usually late at night or early morning hours.

That's a lot of V200 in 2009.

I'm not sure how I miss this photo as there is a link of my V200 in his blog. :P

http://jeffyen.blogspot.com/2009/03/in-camp-training.html

Cadillac Gage V200 resources.

SAF Cadillac Gage V200 during Open House.

http://storm.webvis.net/v200.html

Commando V-150 Armored Car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtEzeJmzSow

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3942.html

RSAF August 2004 newsletter.

The combined live firing exercise for the modified 40mm Automatic Grenade Launcher (AGL) and enhanced 20mm Gun was successfully conducted on 12 Mar 04 at Sungei Gedong Main Range 1. Involving approximately 300 NSmen and active personnel from the four Field Defence Squadrons (FDS), the main objective of the firing exercise was to enhance the confidence of the personnel in the weapons they operate.

The 1st firing involved the AGL mounted on a Mercedes Benz MB240 jeep. The MB240 jeep, the latest addition to FDS, is slightly different from its Army counterpart, the former having an additional single shot mode to the burst fire one. The AGL gives better firepower to perform reinforcement and counterattack roles during operations.

The 2nd firing involved the V200 Armour Fighting Vehicle mounted with a 20mm Oerlikon gun with the latest Night Weapon Sight, developed jointly by Thales and Defence Science and Technology Agency (DSTA). The sight allows the FDS to better perform their role of reinforcement and counter attack during hours of darkness.

MAJ (now LTC) Koh Cheng Boon, then CO FDS PLAB, was extremely proud of the success of the exercise. He said, "I’m happy that all participants took it as a personal challenge to master the skills and shoot as accurately as possible. This personal aspiration to excel reflects well on the image of the FDS and certainly enhances the confidence others have in us.”

The next variant of the V200, Textron Marine & Land Systems M1117 Armored Security Vehicle (ASV).

http://www.textronmarineandland.com/products/asv_m1117.php

Live firing South Korea FTW.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showt...l=1#post5861798

wd1 dug up a really old 2005 sgforum thread. It is really weird to read stuff I wrote as a younger man, shooting my mouth off, volunteering all kinds of info like what unit I served etc.

Grunt, thank you for remembering my unit number. :lol: