Title: Eksesais Forging Sabre tahun 2009
ChineseJunk - October 26, 2009 03:06 PM (GMT)
Callsign 24 Seira - October 26, 2009 10:53 PM (GMT)
Why I turned down a book offer !
CJ...so that's what's it all about. no doubt about it, you made a good decision. One must stand behind one's principles.
ChineseJunk - November 7, 2009 01:47 AM (GMT)
After a week of diplomacy and peace making at APEC Singapore comes the sabre rattling (no pun intended).
Mainstream media due to travel to Fort Sill, OK for Eks Forging Sabre next week after APEC.
They will then travel to Mountain Home, ID, for the F-15SG event.
IAF - November 7, 2009 02:19 AM (GMT)
So this will be a series like wallaby?
diCam - November 7, 2009 04:06 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ChineseJunk @ Nov 7 2009, 09:47 AM) |
After a week of diplomacy and peace making at APEC Singapore comes the sabre rattling (no pun intended).
Mainstream media due to travel to Fort Sill, OK for Eks Forging Sabre next week after APEC.
They will then travel to Mountain Home, ID, for the F-15SG event. |
Are u part of the 'traveling' party? :rolleyes:
Callsign 24 Seira - November 7, 2009 04:22 AM (GMT)
"......then travel to Mountain Home, ID, for the F-15SG event...."
What event is that ? :blink:
ChineseJunk - November 7, 2009 04:40 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (diCam @ Nov 7 2009, 12:06 PM) |
Are u part of the 'traveling' party? :rolleyes: |
R u kidding?
PAFF didn't even let me step into the AOH'09 preview. What do you think?
You've not read my Blue on Blue posts eh? :ph43r:
Do look out for the BB post next week. Something different from what the mainstream press will trot out. And hopefully original too, if you've seen the thrust of previous BB posts. ;)
IceStorm - November 7, 2009 06:48 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ChineseJunk @ Nov 7 2009, 09:47 AM) |
After a week of diplomacy and peace making at APEC Singapore comes the sabre rattling (no pun intended).
Mainstream media due to travel to Fort Sill, OK for Eks Forging Sabre next week after APEC.
They will then travel to Mountain Home, ID, for the F-15SG event. |
APEC is about economic cooperation.
nothing to do with peace making...
IceStorm - November 7, 2009 06:50 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ChineseJunk @ Nov 7 2009, 12:40 PM) |
| QUOTE (diCam @ Nov 7 2009, 12:06 PM) | Are u part of the 'traveling' party? :rolleyes: |
R u kidding?
PAFF didn't even let me step into the AOH'09 preview. What do you think?
You've not read my Blue on Blue posts eh? :ph43r:
Do look out for the BB post next week. Something different from what the mainstream press will trot out. And hopefully original too, if you've seen the thrust of previous BB posts. ;)
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PAFF probably no longer afford you the same courtesy as in the past... because you are no longer working for SPH?
afterall... wat does genting got to do with defence?
ChineseJunk - November 7, 2009 10:52 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (IceStorm @ Nov 7 2009, 02:50 PM) |
PAFF probably no longer afford you the same courtesy as in the past... because you are no longer working for SPH?
afterall... wat does genting got to do with defence? |
Hey, I think you're right. Darn, I should've used all those PAFF engagements to sell casino memberships.
Hrmmm... let's see, post-SPH/pre-Forum Page letter plus turning down of the OBO book: there was Ex Lightning Warrior, Ex Paradigm, Ex Torrent VI, Ex Top Deck, one CR Mobex, one SCE Anniversary, RSAF Open House preview, one Chinook flight, one Terrex demo, one trip to St Louis to watch the F-15SG roll-out.
So many lost opportunities.
IceStorm - November 7, 2009 12:26 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ChineseJunk @ Nov 7 2009, 06:52 PM) |
| QUOTE (IceStorm @ Nov 7 2009, 02:50 PM) | PAFF probably no longer afford you the same courtesy as in the past... because you are no longer working for SPH?
afterall... wat does genting got to do with defence? |
Hey, I think you're right. Darn, I should've used all those PAFF engagements to sell casino memberships.
Hrmmm... let's see, post-SPH/pre-Forum Page letter plus turning down of the OBO book: there was Ex Lightning Warrior, Ex Paradigm, Ex Torrent VI, Ex Top Deck, one CR Mobex, one SCE Anniversary, RSAF Open House preview, one Chinook flight, one Terrex demo, one trip to St Louis to watch the F-15SG roll-out.
So many lost opportunities.
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only PAFF can answer your questions... if they want to answer it.
but the fact is... you are no longer part of SPH.... but genting, a malaysian company...
dtwn - November 7, 2009 02:35 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (IceStorm @ Nov 7 2009, 08:26 PM) |
only PAFF can answer your questions... if they want to answer it.
but the fact is... you are no longer part of SPH.... but genting, a malaysian company... |
Theory falls through when you consider that at least some, if not all, of the exercises that CJ mentioned being invited to occurred after he had began working for Genting.
For example, note the invite to the unveiling of the Eagles, despite his job at Genting.
http://militarynuts.com/index.php?showtopi...post&p=10073073
IceStorm - November 7, 2009 02:54 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (dtwn @ Nov 7 2009, 10:35 PM) |
| QUOTE (IceStorm @ Nov 7 2009, 08:26 PM) | only PAFF can answer your questions... if they want to answer it.
but the fact is... you are no longer part of SPH.... but genting, a malaysian company... |
Theory falls through when you consider that at least some, if not all, of the exercises that CJ mentioned being invited to occurred after he had began working for Genting. For example, note the invite to the unveiling of the Eagles, despite his job at Genting. http://militarynuts.com/index.php?showtopi...post&p=10073073 |
information at PAFF might not be updated as quickly as one might wish for.
even after leaving a job, its not surprising for one to be invited for a function/ event or briefings because of your previous appointment.
ultimately, PAFF has the authority to decide who it choose to invite or not to invite.
and its undeniable, that he is no longer with SPH, thus if PAFF choose not to invite him due to his change in profession... or decided they no longer wish to extend their courtesy to him....you cant say they are wrong.
edwin3060 - November 7, 2009 02:57 PM (GMT)
With all due respect, the fact remains that once CJ was at Genting, any invites that he got was at the largesse of MINDEF. The fact that such a privilege was withdrawn might not have been a snub especially since it has not been definitively established that it was in reciprocity to the forum letter. Maybe it just took months before it registered with MINDEF that CJ had left SPH? As the saying goes, never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Regardless of the circumstances, I don't see how continuing down the current path will result in a resolution. In the meantime, I'm just happy that a young bird like me can get exposed to all this history about the SAF and lament that I have to learn it under such circumstances.
superspitfire - November 7, 2009 03:01 PM (GMT)
it would be a lucky affair if someone higher sees our plight and despite the differences, is willing to set it aside, cutting down the whatever-coloured-tape and offers invites to "exclusive events" and is willing to sit down with and open mind and have a dialogue...
but then again...wishful thinking on my part.
IceStorm - November 7, 2009 03:46 PM (GMT)
frankly, i sympathize CJ.
perhaps like him, i was once in a similar situation, it was hard to swallow... very very hard.
but organizations can be very ruthless... and though i have learn to accept it... i could not let go of the hard feelings.
given CJ's contribution to the SAF, i feel it would be fitting for the PAFF to recognize his effort by affording him some courtesy.
though all banquet must eventually come to an end... PAFF should at least try do so with graciousness.
dtwn - November 7, 2009 04:06 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (IceStorm @ Nov 7 2009, 10:54 PM) |
| QUOTE (dtwn @ Nov 7 2009, 10:35 PM) | | QUOTE (IceStorm @ Nov 7 2009, 08:26 PM) | only PAFF can answer your questions... if they want to answer it.
but the fact is... you are no longer part of SPH.... but genting, a malaysian company... |
Theory falls through when you consider that at least some, if not all, of the exercises that CJ mentioned being invited to occurred after he had began working for Genting. For example, note the invite to the unveiling of the Eagles, despite his job at Genting. http://militarynuts.com/index.php?showtopi...post&p=10073073 |
information at PAFF might not be updated as quickly as one might wish for.
even after leaving a job, its not surprising for one to be invited for a function/ event or briefings because of your previous appointment.
ultimately, PAFF has the authority to decide who it choose to invite or not to invite.
and its undeniable, that he is no longer with SPH, thus if PAFF choose not to invite him due to his change in profession... or decided they no longer wish to extend their courtesy to him....you cant say they are wrong.
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Fair enough. The PAFF certainly has the authority to invite whomever they wish, however, choosing not to invite him due to his change of occupation is worlds apart from choosing not to invite him out of pique. If they chose to decline inviting him due to his new occupation, they were behaving in an entirely appropriate manner.
As Edwin3060 mentioned, there has been no definite link as far as we know (CJ may know different) between the Forum letter and CJ's privileges being revoked. It would seem circumstantial. I am, however, less convinced about Mindef lacking knowledge of CJ's career switch. It somehow suggests an incompetency or lack of internal communication that is staggering in scope. I believe that Mindef is not so incompetent as to realize only months later that CJ's status as a journalist was no longer current.
In closing, I must agree wholeheartedly with your quote.
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| Regardless of the circumstances, I don't see how continuing down the current path will result in a resolution. In the meantime, I'm just happy that a young bird like me can get exposed to all this history about the SAF and lament that I have to learn it under such circumstances. |
ChineseJunk - November 8, 2009 02:16 AM (GMT)
This thread should be about the HIMARS live firing.
I've addressed the points you guys raised at the usual place. :)
bdique - November 8, 2009 07:36 AM (GMT)
any rough outline of how the exercise will be run? :)
ChineseJunk - November 8, 2009 09:21 AM (GMT)
The last one introduced the concept of kill boxes and the ability to coordinate air-land strikes against an armoured column.
Considering the reach of HIMARS, this one will likely demonstrate the ability to hit follow-on forces or point targets far behind the frontline.
O/T I've updated my last commentary. See point 2 which addresses my job switch.
Dzirhan - November 8, 2009 10:08 AM (GMT)
OT comment on CJ's position. Keep in mind that it's not always a given that you are off the list of journalists because you quit your full time job as one, a number of ex-journalists sometimes take other jobs but still continue writing for defence publications or on defence issues so they can be considered for media trips provided there's some assurance that an article will be published out of it and it pretty much has been shown that CJ still writes on defence even though he's no longer working on SPH.
YourFather - November 8, 2009 10:12 AM (GMT)
Considering the fact there can't be many of these GMLRS rockets in inventory, I suspect command posts, supply depots, radars, air defenses and long range arty rocket launchers to be the high value targets worthy of their expenditure.
IceStorm - November 8, 2009 12:17 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dzirhan @ Nov 8 2009, 06:08 PM) |
| OT comment on CJ's position. Keep in mind that it's not always a given that you are off the list of journalists because you quit your full time job as one, a number of ex-journalists sometimes take other jobs but still continue writing for defence publications or on defence issues so they can be considered for media trips provided there's some assurance that an article will be published out of it and it pretty much has been shown that CJ still writes on defence even though he's no longer working on SPH. |
and i would like to add... should an organization feels that you bear ill will against it... or both sides can no longer see eye to eye....
the organization would sees no benefit in extending its courtesy to you any further.
just as why would i invite someone who slap my face to my party?
bdique - November 9, 2009 01:47 AM (GMT)
ah, it would be ultimate if we could combine the F-15SGs and the HIMARs in one exercise :P
xtemujin - November 9, 2009 02:04 AM (GMT)
We"ll have to see how the official photo ops for the Exercise Forging Sabre.
ChineseJunk - November 9, 2009 02:24 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (xtemujin @ Nov 9 2009, 10:04 AM) |
| We"ll have to see how the official photo ops for the Exercise Forging Sabre. |
Timbalan Perdana Mentri/Mentri Pertahanan TCH is going, so I hear, so the pictures should have some class lah.
I think the photogs will have to shoot the Himars some distance away because of the safety template (backblast).
Check out this video. Put your speakers on full volume. The noise is awesome - just stunned my Sentosa IR team members. :)
HIMARS firing
xtemujin - November 9, 2009 02:33 AM (GMT)
CJ,
Nothing beats experiencing a live firing, youtube is just scratching the surface. :P
Chief of Artillery must remember to pass the cap to Timbalan Perdana Mentri/Mentri Pertahanan TCH.
We'll have a look of the photos soon.
superspitfire - November 9, 2009 03:27 AM (GMT)
See whether they will take the best shot...when the rocket is launched from the launching platform. if not, think better get some of our MNs to be photographers instead...:P.
BTW...IIRC, it is spelt Menteri
FIVE-TWO - November 9, 2009 04:58 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (superspitfire @ Nov 9 2009, 11:27 AM) |
See whether they will take the best shot...when the rocket is launched from the launching platform. if not, think better get some of our MNs to be photographers instead...:P.
BTW...IIRC, it is spelt Menteri |
when taking action shots, be it runway shows, dance performance, or livefirings, it is important the photog visualises his shots, has an idea what goes on and the sequence of events so that he can focus on what shots he wants to capture, and prepare the equipment for it.
eg if you want to catch the rockets launching, you will need to catch the first few rockets as the subsequent ones will be all obscured by smoke. and if there is a photog team, the team leader should organise his team so that different people are covering different aspects that might happen very quick in succession or even simultaneously.
IceStorm - November 9, 2009 10:41 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ChineseJunk @ Nov 9 2009, 10:24 AM) |
| QUOTE (xtemujin @ Nov 9 2009, 10:04 AM) | | We"ll have to see how the official photo ops for the Exercise Forging Sabre. |
Timbalan Perdana Mentri/Mentri Pertahanan TCH is going, so I hear, so the pictures should have some class lah. I think the photogs will have to shoot the Himars some distance away because of the safety template (backblast). Check out this video. Put your speakers on full volume. The noise is awesome - just stunned my Sentosa IR team members. :) HIMARS firing |
ChineseJunk - November 9, 2009 02:42 PM (GMT)
Sweet!
With all this well-meaning advice from netizens, hopefully the cameraman won't fark up next week and all we see on the MINDEF website and in the 90 cents paper is a smoke trail. :huh:
bdique - November 9, 2009 04:08 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (FIVE-TWO @ Nov 9 2009, 12:58 PM) |
| QUOTE (superspitfire @ Nov 9 2009, 11:27 AM) | See whether they will take the best shot...when the rocket is launched from the launching platform. if not, think better get some of our MNs to be photographers instead...:P.
BTW...IIRC, it is spelt Menteri |
when taking action shots, be it runway shows, dance performance, or livefirings, it is important the photog visualises his shots, has an idea what goes on and the sequence of events so that he can focus on what shots he wants to capture, and prepare the equipment for it.
eg if you want to catch the rockets launching, you will need to catch the first few rockets as the subsequent ones will be all obscured by smoke. and if there is a photog team, the team leader should organise his team so that different people are covering different aspects that might happen very quick in succession or even simultaneously.
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How about putting a camera providing live feed at the target site itself? always loved when military vids showed us the POV of the target, feels damn kickass and puts the fear into people alright :ph43r:
ChineseJunk - November 9, 2009 04:38 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (bdique @ Nov 10 2009, 12:08 AM) |
How about putting a camera providing live feed at the target site itself? always loved when military vids showed us the POV of the target, feels damn kickass and puts the fear into people alright :ph43r: |
A history lesson: During the launch of the Primus SPH some years ago, the media were made to wait two hours outside Kranji Camp for TCH to arrive. Bored silly while waiting, we looked at the stage and spotted a small artillery piece known as a mountain gun.
The Arty LO said that TCH would launch the Primus by firing the gun later (with a blank round of course, otherwise the shell would land in JB).
I said that if anything could go wonky with the day's programme, it would be that damn gun.
I think you guys can guess what happened.
Speech over, TCH and Chief Arty walked to the mountain gun.
One yank. Nothing happened.
Second yank on the lanyard. Embarrassed silence.
Tug, tug tug. Still nothing happened.
Someone then wised up and activated the pyrotechnics and let the curtain drop some distance away so the Primus could make its run towards the stage.
I'm not making this up. Ask any of the gunners who were at the event. [Dzirhan, the Malaysian DA to Singapore was there too... you can ask him. :P ]
So, my point is: What if they miss and the whole world is watching? You'd probably be able to hear Dzirhan and ggk laffing all the way from KL. :P
And the fallout from that gaffe would kill careers faster than a HIMARS can kill a PT-91.
I don't think the FS planning team would risk it.
Edit to add what happened to the gun.
P.S. In those days, I had to front the news clip for the then Channel i English news.
So I stayed behind with the Channel News Asia team for us to film the piece to camera (PTC). As the VVIPs and assorted hangers-on had cleared the area by then, the fatigue party went up to inspect the gun.
They gave the lanyard one tug.
"PIANG!". The damn thing finally discharged the blank round.
FIVE-TWO - November 9, 2009 05:37 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ChineseJunk @ Nov 10 2009, 12:38 AM) |
| QUOTE (bdique @ Nov 10 2009, 12:08 AM) | How about putting a camera providing live feed at the target site itself? always loved when military vids showed us the POV of the target, feels damn kickass and puts the fear into people alright :ph43r: |
A history lesson: During the launch of the Primus SPH some years ago, the media were made to wait two hours outside Kranji Camp for TCH to arrive. Bored silly while waiting, we looked at the stage and spotted a small artillery piece known as a mountain gun.
The Arty LO said that TCH would launch the Primus by firing the gun later (with a blank round of course, otherwise the shell would land in JB).
I said that if anything could go wonky with the day's programme, it would be that damn gun.
I think you guys can guess what happened.
Speech over, TCH and Chief Arty walked to the mountain gun.
One yank. Nothing happened.
Second yank on the lanyard. Embarrassed silence.
Tug, tug tug. Still nothing happened.
Someone then wised up and activated the pyrotechnics and let the curtain drop some distance away so the Primus could make its run towards the stage.
I'm not making this up. Ask any of the gunners who were at the event. [Dzirhan, the Malaysian DA to Singapore was there too... you can ask him. :P ]
So, my point is: What if they miss and the whole world is watching? You'd probably be able to hear Dzirhan and ggk laffing all the way from KL. :P
And the fallout from that gaffe would kill careers faster than a HIMARS can kill a PT-91.
I don't think the FS planning team would risk it.
Edit to add what happened to the gun. P.S. In those days, I had to front the news clip for the then Channel i English news.
So I stayed behind with the Channel News Asia team for us to film the piece to camera (PTC). As the VVIPs and assorted hangers-on had cleared the area by then, the fatigue party went up to inspect the gun.
They gave the lanyard one tug.
"PIANG!". The damn thing finally discharged the blank round.
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poor TCH, but take heart, even Bill Gates have to face a Blue Screen of Death when he was conducting a demo personally :lol: :lol: :lol:
Dzirhan - November 10, 2009 12:43 PM (GMT)
The MAF generally avoids having VIPs doing something such as TCH and the gun, likely because causing a VIP to be embaressed is a careerkiller not just for those directly involved but the senior top brass, also it's too much work, much easier for the VIP to make a speech and cut a ribbon, can't go too wrong with that too :D
FIVE-TWO - November 10, 2009 12:55 PM (GMT)
it would have been even more embarassing if the Primus failed to start :D
jiaklormee - November 11, 2009 09:21 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ChineseJunk @ Nov 9 2009, 10:42 PM) |
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Sweet!
With all this well-meaning advice from netizens, hopefully the cameraman won't fark up next week and all we see on the MINDEF website and in the 90 cents paper is a smoke trail. :huh:
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No worries on this....my friend from armynews will be going over to cover the event...
Can expect some impressive shots....though i fail to understand why so little of their photos end up in publications like Pioneer...
FIVE-TWO - November 11, 2009 10:16 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (jiaklormee @ Nov 11 2009, 05:21 PM) |
No worries on this....my friend from armynews will be going over to cover the event...
Can expect some impressive shots....though i fail to understand why so little of their photos end up in publications like Pioneer... |
how about inviting them over for a private showing?
jiaklormee - November 11, 2009 10:51 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (FIVE-TWO @ Nov 11 2009, 06:16 PM) |
| QUOTE (jiaklormee @ Nov 11 2009, 05:21 PM) | No worries on this....my friend from armynews will be going over to cover the event...
Can expect some impressive shots....though i fail to understand why so little of their photos end up in publications like Pioneer... |
how about inviting them over for a private showing?
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he's not a close friend of mine...just got to know him thru some photography event
but shhh....don't tell him i showed you this :D
Exercise Panzer Strike

FIVE-TWO - November 11, 2009 11:03 AM (GMT)
did the fella shoot this at multiframe? would have been good if it is 2-frames earlier. that's why you see all the sports photographers all use the fastest 1-series Canon DSLR with huge ass lenses. because you need to be far away enough to be safe, and you need to basically keep shooting away and hopefully get the perfect shot because it is impossible to catch the right moment. some of those bodies can go 3-4 seconds at full 10fps blast in RAW. even the memory cards they used has to be the fastest money can buy.