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tankee1981 - May 7, 2010 08:18 AM (GMT)
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Firing ranges go private
Military to still issue ammo and train soldiers in marksmanship
By Jermyn Chow

The SAF's firing ranges, which are between 25m and 500m in length, are used for small-arms live-firing practice.

CIVILIANS will, for the first time, take over the running of the army's 14 outdoor firing ranges from the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) by year's end.

The staff of these private commercial companies will take over the repairing of the ranges, keeping count of the scores and retrieving the spent cartridges, say recently released tender documents.

These jobs have, until now, been done by 22 soldiers who have to be deployed by each unit using the range.



Straits Times

In view of the wave of outsourcing by SAF (such as replacing PTI) recently i felt its justified to start a new thread on this.

FIVE-TWO - May 7, 2010 09:12 AM (GMT)
since when got 500m range?

I wanna take over the operation of Sungei Gedong :D

Alfie007 - May 7, 2010 09:27 AM (GMT)
I do know that the Navy outsource the maintenance of its hyberbaric chambers both on land & on board MCMVs.. I was involved in such maintenance works which was one of the tasks I had to do in a part-time marine engineering job after ORD.. Not sure if the company I worked with still have the contract with the Navy now.. But it was an experience, working on the chambers as the ship sway with the calm waves..

|-|05| - May 7, 2010 01:08 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (FIVE-TWO @ May 7 2010, 05:12 PM)
since when got 500m range?

I wanna take over the operation of Sungei Gedong :D

The gpmg and sniper ranges? i don't know lol i do know there is a 500m(or was it 400m) range

Viper52 - May 7, 2010 01:11 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (|-|05| @ May 7 2010, 09:08 PM)
QUOTE (FIVE-TWO @ May 7 2010, 05:12 PM)
since when got 500m range?

I wanna take over the operation of Sungei Gedong :D

The gpmg and sniper ranges? i don't know lol i do know there is a 500m(or was it 400m) range

Mandai area. Google and their tool(s) is your friend. :lol:

FIVE-TWO - May 7, 2010 01:18 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (|-|05| @ May 7 2010, 09:08 PM)
QUOTE (FIVE-TWO @ May 7 2010, 05:12 PM)
since when got 500m range?

I wanna take over the operation of Sungei Gedong :D

The gpmg and sniper ranges? i don't know lol i do know there is a 500m(or was it 400m) range

Area D main gun range shouldn't count since there is no "range" per se.

viper, you mean the mandai ranges? IIRC rifle ranges are only up to 400m.

Viper52 - May 7, 2010 01:29 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (FIVE-TWO @ May 7 2010, 09:18 PM)
QUOTE (|-|05| @ May 7 2010, 09:08 PM)
QUOTE (FIVE-TWO @ May 7 2010, 05:12 PM)
since when got 500m range?

I wanna take over the operation of Sungei Gedong :D

The gpmg and sniper ranges? i don't know lol i do know there is a 500m(or was it 400m) range

Area D main gun range shouldn't count since there is no "range" per se.

viper, you mean the mandai ranges? IIRC rifle ranges are only up to 400m.

5-2, i thought so too leh (since i was there during my time), but a check with the aforementioned tools says otherwise.

bdique - May 7, 2010 02:38 PM (GMT)
My GPMG live firing was at E-shaped hill, I understand that's where 84 do their LF too...I don't mind them outsourcing that, the memories are still fresh of the advance party lugging target boards iron pickets and monkey wrench halfway up the hill and trying to make a fig9 target B)

bcoy - May 7, 2010 02:41 PM (GMT)
I remember an open range (without the usual chambers) we use (Nee Soon or Mandai?). Think it could take 400m or maybe more. Only time we ever used such a range as it was part of a timed assault course.

Also outsourced - cooks. I came from a time when cooks were part of the unit.

eurofighter - May 7, 2010 02:52 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (bdique @ May 7 2010, 10:38 PM)
My GPMG live firing was at E-shaped hill, I understand that's where 84 do their LF too...I don't mind them outsourcing that, the memories are still fresh of the advance party lugging target boards iron pickets and monkey wrench halfway up the hill and trying to make a fig9 target B)

Yea, I did that too. Really one siong morning.

|-|05| - May 8, 2010 07:10 AM (GMT)
Actually hor from what i can understand the report says that only the maintaince and running of the ranges will be outsourced.
Meaning they make sure the targets and scoring system works. upkeeping the range and stuff.

Wocelot - May 9, 2010 04:38 PM (GMT)
LOL, no more using of helmets to collect spent rounds.

Question: Does that mean that should any accidents (touch wood) occur, the company managing the firing range is not to blame???

xtemujin - May 9, 2010 05:27 PM (GMT)
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10 April 08  The Strait Times 
by David Boey, Defence Correspondent

SAF may take a shot at outsourcing rifle range


IN WHAT would be a first for the army, private companies could some day supervise soldiers as they practise gunning down targets at outdoor firing ranges.

Jobs such as issuing live bullets, counting scores and retrieving empty brass cartridges - duties traditionally borne by the army - may be outsourced, according to recently released documents.

While the Singapore Armed Forces has outsourced administrative tasks like cooking and cleaning, this would be the first time it has asked private companies to supervise shooting practices.

Details of the plan were contained in the 'request for information' issued last Monday by the agency that manages defence contracts for the Ministry of Defence (Mindef).

The Defence Science and Technology Agency (DSTA) asked companies for quotes on how much it would cost to run a 100m rifle range at Safti, next to Pasir Laba Camp on the western edge of Singapore.

The range covers 16,150 sq m, about 1.5 times the size of a soccer field, and has 54 electronic targets. It is one of 16 outdoor shooting ranges used by the SAF for small arms live-firing practices, said the DSTA.

A DSTA spokesman told The Straits Times that the agency was exploring ways to 'enhance the operation and maintenance of the outdoor rifle ranges'.

Though a formal tender may be some months away, outsourcing of non-core jobs is something the SAF has embraced since the 1970s.

For example, a manpower crunch in the 1980s led Mindef to outsource cookhouse duties to private contractors.

Mindef has also outsourced some cleaning tasks in SAF camps to private companies, as well as maintenance work for aircraft and vehicles.

The move to outsource firing-range duties would free up SAF personnel to spend more time on combat training.

A range session for a company-sized unit of about 130 soldiers needs 22 personnel to staff positions such as supervising officer, ammunition dispenser, sentry and medical orderly, said the DSTA.

The outsourcing could also open up new business opportunities for former soldiers. In its request for information, the agency said it preferred retired or operationally ready National Servicemen for the jobs.

dboey@sph.com.sg


FIVE-TWO - May 9, 2010 05:31 PM (GMT)
you still need to collect the cartridges since the SAF issued them and so have to return the cartridges.

bdique - May 9, 2010 11:20 PM (GMT)
wah, Wocelot just reminded me of some of the darker days of my NS life...maybe with the civilian overseers they can bring in stuff like some massive electromagnet and suck out every damned cartridge from every nook and cranny :P

okay, I know cartridges are non-magnetic, but those were indeed rather tragic moments of my life :(

edit: on a similar topic, here's how Korea dealt with the cartridge issue:
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