Title: Latest Malaysia Military News Part 3
Description: From July 10-
gary1910 - July 26, 2010 01:27 PM (GMT)
Alfie007 - July 27, 2010 01:10 AM (GMT)
KD Tunku Abdul Rahman fired missile whilst submerged..
| QUOTE (atreyuangel @ Jul 27 2010, 01:37 AM) |
Picture of KD Tunku Abdul Rahman (The Can't Submerge Sub) firing a SM-29 Exocet Missile to a target 40km away.
ps: the sub is submerge during the firing.
picture credit to Standupper
for more picture here sitrep
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KD Tunku Abdul Rahman Proves Capability
KOTA KINABALU, July 26 (Bernama) -- Malaysia's first submarine, the KD Tunku Abdul Rahman Monday proved its capability when it successfully conducted the firing of an Exocet SM39 Block 2 missile.
Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) chief Admiral Tan Sri Abdul Aziz Jaafar in a statement here, said the missile hit its 40-metre long surface target located 22 nautical miles (40km) away.
He said it was fired from a depth of 55 metres, a range that was difficult for anti-submarine ships to adopt counter measures against submarines.
According to him, the test firing of the missile was part of contractual activities in the submarine's tropical operations.
He said the test firing of the Exocet SM39 Blok 2 missile, which was launched at exactly 10.15am in the South China Sea, was proof of RMN's capabilities and the submarine's capability to launch an attack from below the sea surface.
Abdul Aziz, who also witnessed the test, said it was also aimed at confirming the effectiveness of the Exocet SM39 Blok 2 and the capability of the submarine's weapons system or better know as SUBTICS KD TAR in a tropical climate.
He said the Exocet SM39 Blok 2, sourced from France in 2008, was a below sea-to-surface missile weighing 2,100 kilogrammes and having a length of six metres and a diametre of 35 centimetres.
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valice - July 27, 2010 02:54 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Alfie007 @ Jul 27 2010, 09:10 AM) |
KD Tunku Abdul Rahman fired missile whilst submerged..
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He said it was fired from a depth of 55 metres, a range that was difficult for anti-submarine ships to adopt counter measures against submarines.
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Hmm... When was this ever the case? At the waters around KK, the water depth is 100m+. that's so mid-water. Perfect for hunting a sub..
tankee1981 - July 27, 2010 04:10 AM (GMT)
Does our newer Swedish submarines have such capabilities? B)
blowpipe - July 27, 2010 04:38 AM (GMT)
I dun think our swedish subs comes with this...this is more of an underwater launched anti-ship missiles such as harpoon, Exocet etc. I read somewhere in the forum there is a disadvantage of this tactic as it exposes the sub location or something like that.
diCam - July 27, 2010 05:08 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (blowpipe @ Jul 27 2010, 12:38 PM) |
| I dun think our swedish subs comes with this...this is more of an underwater launched anti-ship missiles such as harpoon, Exocet etc. I read somewhere in the forum there is a disadvantage of this tactic as it exposes the sub location or something like that. |
The encapsulated missile can swim out of the torpedo tube to a distance, away from the sub before it fires off...
spiderweb6969 - July 27, 2010 06:21 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (tankee1981 @ Jul 27 2010, 12:10 PM) |
| Does our newer Swedish submarines have such capabilities? B) |
as usual, all it takes is for them to show us their capabilities and we'll follow them very very soon.....i'm guessing sub-Harpoon?so instead of being worried or sad, we should be very very happy. B)
FIVE-TWO - July 27, 2010 06:28 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (spiderweb6969 @ Jul 27 2010, 02:21 PM) |
| QUOTE (tankee1981 @ Jul 27 2010, 12:10 PM) | | Does our newer Swedish submarines have such capabilities? B) |
as usual, all it takes is for them to show us their capabilities and we'll follow them very very soon.....i'm guessing sub-Harpoon?so instead of being worried or sad, we should be very very happy. B)
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you mean finally one less secret to keep? :D
weasel1962 - July 27, 2010 07:00 AM (GMT)
Nice pics. The height at which the SM-39 travelled and hit is consistent with previous firing of the MM40 hitting at 2nd container level.
At 40km, this yields ~2 minutes of reaction time.
Dzirhan - July 27, 2010 09:54 AM (GMT)
Just a quick note to add that reason RMN being public on sub firing is because of local controversy over sub purchase.
FIVE-TWO - July 27, 2010 10:56 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dzirhan @ Jul 27 2010, 05:54 PM) |
| Just a quick note to add that reason RMN being public on sub firing is because of local controversy over sub purchase. |
stupid opposition forcing the military to show their hands :blink:
weasel1962 - July 27, 2010 11:15 AM (GMT)
It will just create more complaints about wasting millions of ringgit firing a missile for "entertainment".
Sayaret - July 27, 2010 12:31 PM (GMT)
Am surprised that our subs would not have this capability. I mean there must be some advantages else why invent this capability?
Perhaps the next subs coming on line would have??
diCam - July 27, 2010 01:04 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Sayaret @ Jul 27 2010, 08:31 PM) |
Am surprised that our subs would not have this capability. I mean there must be some advantages else why invent this capability?
Perhaps the next subs coming on line would have?? |
How do you know that our subs do not have this capability? Knowing that MINDEF keep a very tight lid on SAF's capabilities do not mean we do not process certain capabilities. What MINDEF can mask they will try all ways to mask it. Isn't MRAP an good example?
FIVE-TWO - July 27, 2010 01:43 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dzirhan @ Jul 27 2010, 05:54 PM) |
| Just a quick note to add that reason RMN being public on sub firing is because of local controversy over sub purchase. |
Dzirhan, I suggest this headline for those papers: :lol:
"BILLION DOLLAR SUBMARINE CANNOT DIVE!!!"
"NOW TORPEDOES FLOAT TO THE SURFACE!!!"
weasel1962 - July 27, 2010 01:57 PM (GMT)
Cost
24km ranged GBU-54 = $50k
130km ranged JSOW = $400k
50km ranged exocet = $??m (not even land attack capability)
how many can be intercepted by an aster, diverted by decoys or shot down by ciws. Which more worth it? 40 times more bang for buck.
MY just bought 31x 6km ranged Sea Wolfs in 2009. Each lekiu carry 16 sea wolf.
There are in comparison hundreds of GBU-54s in inventory. So spare 17 GBUs per vessel lah. If no more vessel to sink, can still hit land target.
A single F-15 can launch 15 GBU-54s at a single vessel. An F-16 can launch 12 with the TERs on 4 hardpoints. Come SDB II and we're talking 40-60nm range for up to 28 per target per F-15 sortie. Still cheaper than 1 exocet.
Haven't even talk about harps or mavericks.
Why should SG waste its subs on fruitless anti-surface missions? Can't understand the obsession.
valice - July 27, 2010 03:26 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Sayaret @ Jul 27 2010, 08:31 PM) |
Am surprised that our subs would not have this capability. I mean there must be some advantages else why invent this capability?
Perhaps the next subs coming on line would have?? |
Simple reason.
A heavyweight torpedo does more damage than a harpoon.
Moreover, why bother to tell people where you are even if the canister can swim out?
Shotgun - July 27, 2010 05:16 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (valice @ Jul 27 2010, 11:26 PM) |
| QUOTE (Sayaret @ Jul 27 2010, 08:31 PM) | Am surprised that our subs would not have this capability. I mean there must be some advantages else why invent this capability?
Perhaps the next subs coming on line would have?? |
Simple reason.
A heavyweight torpedo does more damage than a harpoon.
Moreover, why bother to tell people where you are even if the canister can swim out?
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One way you all can find out. Check the arms transfer database from the US to see if we acquired "UGM" designated series of the Harpoon. That is, "UGM-84."
Sayaret - July 28, 2010 02:47 AM (GMT)
Guys, I am not merely talking about anti ship missions....its for the possible launching of cruise missiles.....
weasel1962 - July 28, 2010 03:13 AM (GMT)
valice - July 28, 2010 03:35 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (weasel1962 @ Jul 28 2010, 11:13 AM) |
| IDAS. |
IDAS is a very potent weapon against ASW choppers. But the challenge for the submariners is to able to detect and localise the location of the chopper without coming to periscope depth.
Once sonar development houses are able to solve this signal processing challenge, choppers become less of a threat for submariners.
blowpipe - July 28, 2010 03:58 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Sayaret @ Jul 28 2010, 10:47 AM) |
| Guys, I am not merely talking about anti ship missions....its for the possible launching of cruise missiles..... |
Underwater launched SLAM or Tomahawk? I think Israel navy alrady modified their submarineto have these capabilities.
weasel1962 - July 28, 2010 04:42 AM (GMT)
The air launched slam may be cheaper than the sub-launched by half.
1 x UGM-84 = 120 GBU-54 in cost.
US refused to sell tomahawks to Israel (and they asked many times already). Won't happen for SG.
Germany only stated the dolphins were harp capable but reports suggests Israel may have tried to develop their own capability (popeye turbo). No confirmation that it ever happened. No indication of any sale of UGMs/SLAM to Israel either.
weasel1962 - July 28, 2010 04:52 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (valice @ Jul 28 2010, 11:35 AM) |
| QUOTE (weasel1962 @ Jul 28 2010, 11:13 AM) | | IDAS. |
IDAS is a very potent weapon against ASW choppers. But the challenge for the submariners is to able to detect and localise the location of the chopper without coming to periscope depth.
Once sonar development houses are able to solve this signal processing challenge, choppers become less of a threat for submariners.
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May not require signal management.
Virtual periscope at below periscope depth for passive above surface detection. Alternative is the LCES.
Its an impending capability that is nearing operationalising.
valice - July 28, 2010 06:35 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (weasel1962 @ Jul 28 2010, 12:52 PM) |
| Virtual periscope at below periscope depth for passive above surface detection. |
This is still signal processing.
Sayaret - July 28, 2010 06:38 AM (GMT)
As earlier mentioned - what Israel keeps secret doesn't mean it does not already have.... well I could be wring, perhaps SG already posses this capability with Mexican help.... who knows...
If costs really mattered, then there would be alternative for almost everything
weasel1962 - July 28, 2010 07:17 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (valice @ Jul 28 2010, 02:35 PM) |
| QUOTE (weasel1962 @ Jul 28 2010, 12:52 PM) | | Virtual periscope at below periscope depth for passive above surface detection. |
This is still signal processing.
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Yup, but it will be less of a challenge with advancing tech.
weasel1962 - July 30, 2010 07:31 AM (GMT)
Sights on howitzer sale
http://www.mmail.com.my/content/44824-sights-howitzer-saleArcher, Caeser, K9 and Pzh2000 the usual suspects for expected requirement of 18 SPH.
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Rela to guard small airports in Sabah/Sarawak.
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v5/newsindex.php?id=517453 pirate - July 30, 2010 08:28 AM (GMT)
http://aseansecurityobserver.blogspot.com/...i-perairan.htmlword on the street was that the Super King Air buzzed those ships at low level
valice - July 30, 2010 08:53 AM (GMT)
China is gonna to piss all their neighbours, near and far, off real soon with what they are doing...
Shotgun - July 30, 2010 05:03 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (valice @ Jul 30 2010, 04:53 PM) |
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China is gonna to piss all their neighbours, near and far, off real soon with what they are doing...
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Good show by the RMN!
IceStorm - July 31, 2010 10:54 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Shotgun @ Jul 31 2010, 01:03 AM) |
| QUOTE (valice @ Jul 30 2010, 04:53 PM) | |
China is gonna to piss all their neighbours, near and far, off real soon with what they are doing...
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Good show by the RMN!
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until china decides its time to swat that fly out of the sky. :P
Shotgun - July 31, 2010 12:33 PM (GMT)
Then you will see the RMN suddenly decide that any ship heading for China is liable for "security" checks. LOL!
IceStorm - July 31, 2010 01:20 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Shotgun @ Jul 31 2010, 08:33 PM) |
| Then you will see the RMN suddenly decide that any ship heading for China is liable for "security" checks. LOL! |
which would be practically almost every ship heading east.
i am sure malaysia would have a wonderful time explaining to all those monster MNCs, super size global financial insurers, huge shipping companies and almost certainly to the US navy over such an action.
pirate - August 3, 2010 02:39 PM (GMT)
http://aseansecurityobserver.blogspot.com/...-kian-hong.html3 stars meets 4 stars
Been waiting whole day for Mindef to come up with something on that visit
xtemujin - August 3, 2010 02:49 PM (GMT)
Nothing on MINDEF Singapore.
Kementah, Malaysia.
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Kuala Lumpur 03 Ogos 2010 - Menteri Pertahanan, YB Dato' Seri Dr. Ahmad Zahid bin Hamidi menerima Kunjungan Hormat Daripada Panglima Angkatan Tentera Singapura, Lieutenant General Neo Kian Hong bertempat di Wisma Pertahanan, Kuala Lumpur.
Turut hadir ialah Panglima Angkatan Tentera Malaysia serta pegawai-pegawai kanan awam dan tentera Kementerian Pertahanan.
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Defence Minister YB Dato' Seri Dr. Ahmad Zahid bin Hamidi has received a courtesy visit from the SAF Lieutenant General Neo Kian Hong at the Ministry of Defence, Kuala Lumpur.
The visit includes the Panglima Angkatan Tentera Malaysia, civil servant and officers from Kementah.
kanzer - August 3, 2010 02:55 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (xtemujin @ Aug 3 2010, 10:49 PM) |
Nothing on MINDEF Singapore.
Kementah, Malaysia.
| QUOTE | Kuala Lumpur 03 Ogos 2010 - Menteri Pertahanan, YB Dato' Seri Dr. Ahmad Zahid bin Hamidi menerima Kunjungan Hormat Daripada Panglima Angkatan Tentera Singapura, Lieutenant General Neo Kian Hong bertempat di Wisma Pertahanan, Kuala Lumpur.
Turut hadir ialah Panglima Angkatan Tentera Malaysia serta pegawai-pegawai kanan awam dan tentera Kementerian Pertahanan.
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stealth helicopters, stealth missiles, stealth general.....
xtemujin - August 3, 2010 03:07 PM (GMT)
Rebro rider stuck at causeway. :P
Pengsan, this type of information also want to keep.
| QUOTE (kanzer @ Aug 3 2010, 10:55 PM) |
| stealth helicopters, stealth missiles, stealth general..... |
pirate - August 4, 2010 05:06 AM (GMT)
IceStorm - August 5, 2010 10:59 AM (GMT)
and how long will this spirit last? :rolleyes:
