Here a link to a photo album taken by SAF troop in India:

Training in India

40 deg , can die!!!

Definitely lots SAF can learn from India's, esp their armour

Any differences from Australia ?

Training in India very diff frm Aust.....Just like training in desert and because my comapny is first to reach there........The weather there is super super cold and I remember one night the temp. fall to 8 degree.......Sleeping bags and baka jacket just can't help us to keep warm.......

The food there much more worse can t make it.........
Simply the world day there very very very cold........There is the very moment that I appreciate sunlight..............

Interesting stuffs like the training ground and live firing area is just within the village......and training just beside civilian makes it feel more realistic........

Nice one there.............

Is the weather there as bad as South Africa? Cos' the temperature over there vaires quite a bit too....But the food there is not too bad but costly.....

SA and NZ are the two places that our Gunners learn how to train in winter. ;)

India also have season just that at that time the temp. there is very cold...........I not sure about the price of the food there because when we are having our R&R we can t step out of our hotel which is not allow...Therefoe nothing much.....There are quite some historical place we visit and one of them is Touch Maha...think spell wrong....sorry......

The living condition there is much more better than Wallaby...Proper bunk, hot water(but often break down)......Basketball court.....and telephone booth....

Next year 40 SAR will be there for training too.....What makes me so sad about the training in India is that we have to leave directly the day after chinese new year....can t enjoy...

Picec of Advise to MEN who is going there for training.....Never use your H.P to call back to Singaore althought it is much more easier...Buy telephone card frm there....The rate using H.P is SGD$5.00/min....And make me cost my H.P bill up to SGD$1400........Incredible right.....thats how scary...Don t try ok.....

How 'bout ROC Taiwan...??? What forms of training is conducted there...???


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Singapore wants to train its armed forces in India, Govt positive

AMITAV RANJANPosted online: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 at 0000 hrs Print EmailAgreement: Singapore looks at stationing personnel in Deolali and Babina; in return, will fund, upgrade

NEW DELHI, MAY 9: Departing from its policy of allowing only joint exercises, India is preparing to open its terrain to Singapore by allowing it to station and train its army here.

In return, not only does it get Singapore’s help to upgrade its defence training facilities but also takes the relationship with this key ASEAN member and economic powerhouse to a new, strategic level.

After conducting two joint exercises with the Indian Army here, Singapore has requested New Delhi to allow its armed forces to shift personnel and equipment for two training stints of three months each on a long-term basis.

Other than overcoming the limitations of land and airspace in Singapore, the spacious and rough Indian terrain will allow the island-nation to train Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) in unfamiliar and challenging environment, says its request.

In exchange for use of the facilities at Deolali and Babina during February-April and October-December, Singapore is willing to reimburse the costs as well as fund their upgradation.

The request has found favour with the Defence Ministry and will be soon put up before the Cabinet Committee on Security for permission under a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA), said ministry sources.

Other than helping the Indian Army to upgrade its facility, the special dispensation to SAF would promote growing defence cooperation and strategic ties between the two nations, said ministry officials. -amitav.ranjan@expressindia.com

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=6103

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Acording to what I have read other forum, Deolali is for training Artillery (Maharashtra) and Indian Army's School of Artillery is situated here.

And Babina (Madya Pradesh) is good for Armoured and houses large armoured formations of Central command and Army HQ reserves. It has also have a very large field firing range.

So it's seem major arty and armoured exe over there.

Expected this thing about training in India - but I wonder what will become of training in Taiwan (starlight), will it continue or will it be stopped or reduced to a bare minimun token presence.

Another "desert wafare" training for SAF for future "America bootlicking peacekeeping operation in middle east areas". See how much in millions is wasted by SAF brass when Singapore is a tropical country where the nearest desert is unreachable by any tank loaded with extra fuel. Anyone know redland got desert for SAF unit to fight?

Sometime wonder how could one be so brainwashed that he can't even think logically by himself!!!!

What do arty live firing and major armoured exe have to do with int'l peacekeeping mission , regardless of where??

Secondly, SG do not have so many manpower to send thousands of our soldiers to anywhere for whatever mission in an extended period( i.e. a year), it will be economically devastating to SG!!!

Lastly even the govt want to do so, they do not have the rights to do so constitutionally, the govt only has the rights to send NSF/NS men oversea for training only, not operationally, not even int'l peacekeeping mission unless it is for the defence of SG.

Every men or women send oversea operationally & not for reason of defending SG must sign a consent form or something of that sort before the govt could send them out, and we have the right not to sign it, that is our constitutional rights.

My dear gray 1910 has not seen the dark side of regulars and NS man be sent for peacekeeping mission. I think you have not serve your NS or still glorifing SAF for its "decisive force". We have SAF personnal in many places one is Iraqi (no WMD, no clear links with AI-Q and would not harm Singapore for no reason for we are a arms black market) So get your facts and evidence right before me.

:lol:

I am already out of the army. No IPPT, no ICTs, no mobilisation and not even in MR!!!

Every NS men are constitutionally protected by the Enlistment Acts where NS men will only serve not more than 40 days per year , do you know that???

If the President of SG invoked the Emergency (Essential Powers) Act when he considers desirable or expedient for securing the public safety, the defence of Singapore, the maintenance of public order and of supplies and services essential to the life of the community.

( nothing abt int'l peacekeeping or any oversea operations that are not part of defence of SG)

When this happen, NS men will not be serving under NS but MS( Mobilsed Service) and it is more or less supersede the NS if they are recalled and under this , there is no time limit.

That is why so far all that have went for oversea peacekeeping are all volunteers and have sign a paper stating that. No one can force you to sign anything , not even the govt.

Cavsg should be able to tell you more on this since he is a regular.

That is all political, the govt know that if many young NSF were killed in oversea int'l peacekeeping that have nothing to do with the defence of SG, they are actually committing political suicide, no matter how successful for they are for last 40+ years.

BTW, why are you not refuting point 1 & 2???

Is it becos you have no logical point to refute them!!

So are you admitting to your own brainwashed logic is wrong?

If you choose to believe that we are not doing any good there, or furthering our geo-political aims, fine.There are many reasons why we choose to be part of the WoT, whether America conned her people into invading Iraq is one thing, I personally want to see democratic change in the ME too.

But you could lose that attitude if you want to be taken seriously.I was in a unit who had peacekeepers and relief forces sent to Timor Leste, and Aceh.It is voluntary.

What Gary1910 is talking about UN deployments on the scale of Somalia, Haiti etc, long, extended periods involving division-sised forces.

Singaporean forces undergoing training at Babina

http://www.ptinews.com/news/579657_Singapo...ining-at-Babina

Facing a space-crunch in their own country, Singaporean armoured forces are taking part in a month-long training exercises at Indian Army's Babina field-firing range in Uttar Pradesh.

Around 550 personnel of the Singaporean Army along with their armoured personnel carriers, Bronco all-terrain tracked vehicles, Spike anti-tank guided missiles and other latest equipment are participating in the exercise which started on March 1, army officials said.

"The month long training exercise will culminate in a bilateral joint exercise codenamed 'Bold Kurukshetra' involving the Indian mechanised forces," they added.

As part of defence cooperation agreements signed in 2003 and 2008, Indian defence facilities are annually used by the Singaporean armed forces to train its personnel as it does not have the required training space.

Singaporean Air Force trains at the Kalaikunda air base in West Bengal whereas its land forces practice at the Deolali artillery firing ranges and Babina.

I wonder if the leppards were sent this time.

Anyone know if we have a perm logistics detachment there?

Last I heard, some of the people I worked with during NS were going there to set up as perm staff (6 month tour), but that was several years ago. Wasn't sure if it was a TDY or we were setting up permanent facilities.

That will be good as this will allow us to exercise with Russian-origin tanks such as the T-72. If can exercise with the Arjun will be better as both Leo2A4 and the Arjun looks similar in physical appearance.

got LF with T-72 and BMP-2...I guess this means 46 SAR has officially adopted the Bionix in place of the Ultras...no mention of any local tank platforms...I wonder how BMS has been retro-installed on the BX, if any...

MINDEF

CyberPioneer

lets see if we can get more pics of this exercise ;)

Thanks bdique.. I have been searching for this thread to post the same thing you did.. :lol:

ah, paiseh steal ur thuder...i just couldn't help it since its an armour article :P

*says a tearful goodbye to his M113*

The old workhorse M113 has served SAF & Singapore faithfully for many years and it still soldier on after so many upgrades.

It is time to let the old horse rest and remember its place in SAF history.

I don't think we will see the last of the M113 in SAF...behold the RC M113!

Army Open House 2009
View from 1.24

has any one seen my old engineer's M113s MID6600, 6601, 6603, 6610, 6612, 6651 :D

Well, sounds like cheap metal put to good use to me. Should the RC M113 get destroyed, the agony is over the loss of RC electronics than to the loss of M113. (Please, M113 fans, dun run a M113 over me.)

Ultra will not be phased out that quickly, when going into terrain that the Terrex may not be able to tahan, who will carry the infantry safely?

Infantry will go by two legs, if the Terrex or M113 is a no go.

Cheers.

As the ol' saying goes, two kar better than no kar at all.

If we are to observe how the SAF utilises our armour assets over the years such as the SM1 and V-200 its not hard to conclude that they won't be gone so soon.

I mean SM1 is use until cannot use then scrapped, V-200 which is bought earlier than the M113 is still in limited use.

but the best thing to do is to kiao kar :D

Super short news video from cyberpioneertv.. Nothing much, could be better.. <_<

--> Steel and Dust - 46 SAR Exercises in India

reminds me of the paltry clip put up for wallaby 09 as well...poor khai yan only had just over a minute of airtime...funny thing is that the vid for wallaby 08 was just over 7 minutes...

seriously. this vid was on the mindef website since 27th march. sigh.

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Basically I dunno which thread should I park this under, so I park this in here..

Video --> Rough Rider - The Army's All Terrain Tracked Carrier (Bronco)

cool
a truely mobile carrier

i wonder if its mine resistant ?

i :wub: 42 SAR :wub: :wub: :wub:

damn that track looks familiar! :o and the sceneries are still so beautiful, the best in Singapore :lol:

and that CVC still looks exactly the same from the mid 80s. but I bet few of you guys seen the old ones used before the early 80s, we call it the coconut husk :rolleyes:

I ROD from 42SAR in mid 83 just before they got stood down. we were in Selarang Barracks, in the original WWII buildings.