Anyone know how long will the F5E continue to be on active duty?

PAF have already decommissioned its older F5As

Even Jordan is selling its F5
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Probably until more F-15SGs, or F-16 C/Ds come into our inventory im guessing.

Speculation is that RSAF is trying to streamline its front line fighters to 2 types only.

Previously we had
1. F-16 C/Ds
2. F-5s
3. A-4s


Expect to see the F-5s flying til 2010 at least.

I hope they are not silly enuff to strealine to 2 types, I can see F-5S going out when F-35 comes in, so probably in the 2015 timeframe? By then they will be one of the oldest fighters in the world.

my bad, 2 fighter types until F-35s that is.

The F-16s then would be like a 3rd tier combat aircraft. Like what the A-4s were until they were retired.

Hmm, how long do you tink the F-16s will last? I'm guessing 2020... Just a shot in the dark.

probably longer. Looking at the way they operate the F-5s and the A-4s.

Read it somewhere ....Viper's lifespan expected at least 8000 hrs.
- Birds fm Blk 25 ( fm 158FW 134FS Vermont ANG) has passed the 6400 hrs
- Birds fm Blk 30 have surpassed 6100 hrs

What is not clear is which are the ones that are lifespan extended after the Falcon STAR Program

With F-5 being so cheap,smaller and less mission capable before the upgrade and older in terms of airframe compare to the former bacth of F-16 A/B which were given to Thailand. I wonder what the %$&@ is the people up there doing. We should not have given away any F-16 A/B for reasons still unknown to the public. Waste of tapayers' money.

To Orcishwarrior,
I read on F16.net OK!

Source: http://www.f-16.net/news_article1270.html

"On November 12th a memorandum of Understanding was signed between the two nations covering both the delivery of the 7 F-16s (3 Alpha models and 4 Bravo models) and the training facilities that the RSAF will get in return. In the MOU the RSAF is allowed to train 3 times a year at Udon Thani AB in Thailand for a maximum of 60 days a session with a maximum of 20 aircraft and this for a period of 15 years.

This deal has many advantages for both parties. Singapore will have access to vast training facilities in Thailand and is able to rationalise its F-16 fleet and operate only the latest C/D models of the venerable viper. Thailand on its behalf will get 7 extra airframes to supplement its already owned airframes in a short timeframe. This deal signifies the good relationship between the two Asian countries, both members of ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations)."

I agree Theory, with the arrangement its basically a win-win situation for both parties even from each individual point of view. Singapore I believe got a better deal becos' of its reduced costs in maintaining different types of F16s. But then again from the Thai perspective they have additional aircrafts which they need for operational requirements and they cannot afford complete aircrafts from the US itself.

Just a note of curiosity, what would happen to our A4s? I still get to hear rumours that though they are retired from service, we are keeping some for "other" purposes, while the rest would be sold. But I am wondering to who and would they be the full package - as in the Super Skyhawk version....

RSAF's Vipers are all Blk52 and 52+. I don't think our Vipers cross the 6,000 hours mark yet. Not even the earliest batch I think which the airforce ordered in 1994. Upgrading kits are being developed and who knows RSAF may opt for this path. I think that such decision may depend on the availability of F35

A number of A-4SU Super SkyHawks will be In storage (On "Reservist" Status) for war-time reactivation... While the rest will be de-militarized, awaiting auctioning or donations to interested parties (Or To The ScrapYard).


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Moved this topic back to General Discussion. I've no idea why or who moved it in the first place, seeing its related to military and SG at the same time.

BTW Viper, your handler is "Viper52" but your Avatar is an Eagle! Funny! :)

BTW, should the title read F-5S rather than F-5E? :)

Think about it, there must have done very extensive upgrades to the F-5S for it to be still flying today.

It was an entire airframe retrofit and modification if I'm not wrong.

I think the only buggers who zhng their F-5 air frame completely are the Iranians. Their F-5s look they've got hornet's style tails, and LERX.

Cos photo is by yours truly, taken at Avalon '05, have not gotten a shot of a Viper with that extra "something" to justify being put into the Avatar yet... :lol:

Suspect the F-5S/T might retire in around 2010-2012, when the oldest ones in RSAF service would be about 30+ years old. More F-15SG/F-16D+/F-16 Block 60s will most likely fill that gap. JSF development still looks on shaky ground, hopefully the Rafale F3 might get a second shot at the RSAF contract to replace the F-16C/D Block 52s in 2018-2020(?), which will themselves be about 25 years old then.

THe F-35 is looking BIG time shaky in terms of meeting international customers. Aside for UK that is.

Massively over priced, and the watered down issue is turning off a lot of potential buyers, eg Aussieland. Even the UK is re-considering the F-35...

Now there's talk of developing an F-16NG to fill the gap til the F-35 is ready to meet international customer's demand.

Dun forget the F-20 tigershark made by the Amercian. Never heard of any customers for it.

Just a quick point about the F-16NG: it's meant for "emerging customers" (actually, India rather specifically), i.e., customers that are upgrading their fleets but would find the F-35 too expensive (or the queue too long anyway). Secondly, it seems that any such plane will benefit from the development of the F-35 (and F-22), as is often the case that the (expensive) development of a new generation of fighters makes possible improvements to earlier fighters that would most probably not be able to see those improvements otherwise. Also: no matter how good this thing is--and it can well exceed the Blk 60 in specs--it will not be able to match the F-35 given that the latter is designed from the beginning to replace the F-16, among other things.

Anyway, here's the press article about the F-16NG:

The USAF made a combat evaluation of the F-5A under the Skoshi Tiger (little tiger) program in 1965. 12 aircraft were delivered for trials to the 4503rd Tactical Fighter Wing (subsequently the 10th Fighter Commando Squadron), redesignated F-5C. They performed combat duty in Vietnam, flying more than 3,500 sorties from the 3rd Tactical Fighter Wing at Bien Hoa in South Vietnam. Two aircraft were lost in combat. The program was short-lived, more a political gesture than a serious consideration of the type for U.S. service. The 10th FCS's surviving aircraft were subsequently turned over to the air force of South Vietnam. Ironically, when Bien Hoa was later overrun by Communist forces, several of the aircraft were captured and used operationally by the NVAF, in particular against Khmer Rouge.
In 1970 Northrop won a competition for an improved International Fighter Aircraft (IFA) to replace the F-5A. The resultant aircraft, initially known as F-5A-21, subsequently became the F-5E. It was lengthened and enlarged, with increased wing area and more sophisticated avionics, initially with an Emerson AN/APQ-159 radar (the F-5A and -B had no radar). Various specific avionics fits could be accommodated at customer request. A two-seat combat-capable trainer, the F-5F, was offered. Unlike the gunless F-5B, it retained a single M39 cannon in the nose, albeit with a reduced ammunition capacity. A reconnaissance version, the RF-5E Tigereye, with a sensor package in the nose displacing the radar and one cannon, was also offered.
The F-5E eventually received the official popular name Tiger II. It is sometimes incorrectly thought to be the only aircraft designated as its own replacement; in fact, the previous "Tiger" was the Grumman F11F/F-11. The AV-8B Harrier II, which followed the AV-8A/C Harrier, is the only aircraft to have truly been designated as its own replacement.
Northrop built 792 F-5Es, 140 F-5Fs and 12 RF-5Es. More were built under license overseas: 56 F-5Es and -Fs plus 5 RF-5Es in Malaysia (they plan to sell them after being upgraded), 90 F-5Es and -Fs in Switzerland (of which some are currently rented to Austria to bridge the gap between the retirement of the Saab Draken fleet and the delivery of new Eurofighter jets), 68 in South Korea, and 380 in Taiwan.
Various F-5 versions remain in service with many nations. The most advanced are those of Singapore, which has approximately 49 modernised and re-designated F-5S (single-seaters) and F-5T (two-seaters) aircraft. Upgrades include new radar, manufactured by Israel, updated cockpits with multi-function displays, and compatibility with the Rafael Python and AIM-120 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles. Similar programs have been carried out in Chile (with Israeli assistance) and Brazil, the former being called the F-5E Tiger III, armed with Python III and 4 (with Dash helmet-mounted cue system) and new radar, cockpit displays, and electronics, and the latter being called the F-5 Plus, with Griffon radars and other improvements. It is believed that the Chilean Air Force F-5E also carry the Israeli Derby medium range missile, proving the aircraft with BVR capability.
Although the United States does not use the F-5 in a frontline role, it was adopted for an opposing-forces (OPFOR) "aggressor" training role because of its performance similarities to the Soviet MiG-21.
The F-5E saw service with the US Air Force from 1975 until 1990, serving in the 64th Aggressor Squadron and 65th Aggressor Squadron at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada, and with the 527th Aggressor Squadron at Alconbury RAF Base in the UK and the 26th Aggressor Squadron at Clark AB in the Philippines. The Marines purchased ex-USAF models in 1989 to replace their F-21s. Serving with VMFT-401 at Yuma MCAS, the F-5 fleet continues to be modernized with F-5N replacements purchased from Switzerland. The US Navy used the F-5E extensively at The Naval Fighter Weapons School at NAS Miramar, VF-127, VF-43 and VF-45. Currently, the only Navy unit flying the F-5 is VFC-13 at NAS Fallon in Nevada.
Northrop attempted to develop an advanced version of the F-5E, originally designated F-5G, as an export competitor for the F-16. The -5G was later redesignated the F-20 Tigershark.
Fighter versions
• N-156F : Single-seat fighter prototype. Only three aircraft were built.
• YF-5A : The three prototypes were given the US Air Force designation YF-5A.
• F-5A : Single-seat fighter version.
• F-5A (G) : Single-seat fighter version of the F-5A for the Royal Norwegian Air Force.
• XF-5A : This designation was given to one aircraft used for static tests.
• F-5C Skoshi Tiger : 12 F-5A Freedom Fighters, were tested by the US Air Force for four and a half months in Vietnam.
• F-5E Tiger II : Single-seat fighter version.
• F-5E Tiger III : Upgraded version of the F-5E in use by the Chilean air Force.
• F-5G : The temporarily designation given to the F-20A Tigershark.
• F-5N : Ex-Swiss Air Force F-5Es used by the US Navy as "aggressor" aircraft
• F-5S : Upgraded version of the F-5E in use by the Republic of Singapore Air Force.
Reconnaissance versions
• RF-5A : Single-seat reconnaissance version of the F-5A fighter.
• RF-5A (G) : Single-seat reconnaissance version of the F-5A fighter for the Royal Norwegian Air Force.
• RF-5E Tigereye : Single-seat reconnaissance version of the F-5E fighter. The RF-5E Tigereye was exported to Saudi Arabia and Malaysia.
Training versions
• F-5B : Two-seat training version.
• F-5-21 : Temporarily designation given to the YF-5B.
• YF-5B : One F-5B was fitted with a 5,000 lb s.t (2,268 kg) General Electric J85-GE-21 engine, and used as a prototype for the F-5E Tiger II.
• F-5D : Unbuilt training version.
• F-5F Tiger II : Two-seat training version.
• F-5F Tiger III : Upgraded version of the F-5F in use by the Chilean Air Force.
• F-5T : Upgraded F-5F in use by the Republic of Singapore Air Force
Foreign variations
• Iran has reverse engineered its F-5 fighters supplied to it before the Iranian Revolution and developed two indigenous fighters: the Saeqeh Fighter and the Azarakhsh Fighter.
• CF-5A : Single-seat fighter version for the Canadian Armed Forces. Built under licence in Canada by Canadair as the CF-116 Freedom Fighter.
• CF-5D : Two-seat training version for the Canadian Armed Forces.
• NF-5A : Single-seat fighter version of the CF-5A for the Royal Netherlands Air Force.
• NF-5B : Two-seat training version of the CF-5D for the Royal Netherlands Air force.
• SF-5A : Single-seat fighter version of the F-5A for the Spanish Air Force. Built under licence in Spain by CASA.
• SRF-5A : Single-seat reconnaissance version of the RF-5A for the Spanish Air force. Built under licence in Spain By CASA.
• SF-5B : Two-seat training version of the F-5B for the Spanish Air Force. Built under licence in Spain by CASA.
• VF-5 : This designation was given to some Canadair CF-116s which were sold to the Venezuelan Air Force.

F5 in the Aggressor color scheme.....a number of pixs... enjoy.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=67628

Found ! Pix of the upgraded F5 used by Iran.


http://www.irankicks.com/ikboard/showthrea...t=27008&page=10

RSAF F-5 in tiger strips livery by gilcrest.

Given that we are a partner in the F-35 programme, getting the F-35 is a question of when, not if. In the meantime, if there is enough of a time gap due to delays, etc, the F-16 Blk60/70 or more F-15s look like an attractive stop-gap option since they are already in the inventory!

We (like Israel) are a security cooperation participant. We are not partners in the JSF programme.

hmm 1st time I saw RSAF aircraft in stripe... wonder whats the occasion since we dont attend Tiger Meet ..or do we?

Answer is here... http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showpost.ph...7&postcount=804

i doubt the f-5 has the ability to deploy to europe. and besides tiger meet is more for nato countries.

I'm guessing will have to disassemble n fly it there... Otherwise, its a damn long flight.

Sorry, guess I wasn't specific enough. Still, we paid money to join up as SCPs. The F-35s can only be delayed, not canceled.

No worries... :)

F-5 30th anniversary for rsaf should be. I keep forgetting to ask the pr pple

Eyes on the ground.

RSAF F5S tiger stripes 30 years.

http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showpost.ph...1&postcount=229

Not sure if this was posted before.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4547801

Commentary by Ong Weichong on replacement of F-5 with F-35.

Good to see DASH helmets being used onboard the F-5S/Ts :)

I would think that F-5S/Ts would simply be retired, but RSAF typically has a 3 different platforms policy. I wonder if they would break it.

Perhaps a fleet of interim fighter (rental/loan) before the arrival of F-35 may not be a bad idea if it can be done economically. Perhaps some loan Gripen NG might be great? :)

On a serious note, the only thing I can reasonably think of is for the RSAF to acquire a second fleet of F-15s, perhaps SE this time round?

I seriously doubt the rsaf would just retire the F-5s without any replacement.

7 fighter sqn chop to 4 = highly unlikely.

Agree another sqn of F-15s = likely unless F-5 can tahan until F-35 delivery.

If F-35, F-35 contract announcement will be by year 2012-13 to meet 2016 delivery.

F-16s unlikely as next gen comp specifies no single engine fighter (other than F-35 which was not available then).

I don't think that retiring the F-5 S/T without replacement is a viable option for the RSAF. The MINDEF's policy makers as I know, planned far ahead and anticipate threats. What'd happened if our neighbours got the financial resources and start buying arms and weapons in bulk?

Before the airforce get their hands on the F-35s, a follow-up order for more F-15SGs or another batch of F-16 52+ or a mix of both is possible I think. I would put my $$ on the SGs though... :rolleyes:

It would simply be not possible that the RSAF reduces 40 odd aircrafts without replacements....simply too big a number to remove from inventory (official)....I personally still believe we have a certain number of A4s still kept in combat ready status as back up.....(personal opinion)

I feel that another batch of F15s would be bought as a stop gap measure perhaps 20? 25?

F35 would still be an eventual aircraft in RSAF's inventory....what role and which version would be an open debate though by then....air superiority? interceptor? fighter/bomber?

Yeah, I think it is entirely possible that they introduce more F-15SGs since they are highly capable interceptors as well.