http://www.one35th.com/model/model_main.htm
(main page)

check it out guys... this website got lots of photo on bionix, bronco and some other stuffs... think got modelling also...

the pics are very detail indeed.... every parts also photo... inside and outside...

http://www.one35th.com/bionix/bionix_index.html
(bionix)

http://www.one35th.com/bionix/155_gallery.htm
(primus)

for you guys havent seen the real primus up close .. lets just say... its mother FF big... if kenna crush by it.. you wont even need a grave... you just stay buried right where u stand (or crushed).

http://www.one35th.com/attc/attc_index.html

(BRONCO).

Cheh...was wondering when did ST licenced the bionix out for modelling. <_<

Anyway, great site with wonderful pictures. Thanks for sharing.

Not sure if this should be posted, but Viper52 thinks it should be ok.

Any armour pro like to ID this BX?

How is it like driving in the AVLB? Field of sight must be bad....I think the poor driver & commander must be stuck in such as tight space.....

driving in ANY A-vehicle is severely vision-restricted, if the hatch is closed.

they need to have the BX2 in there, i'd love to buy a scale model of one~

hmm, wrt the pic...there's a lot of changes from the real thing...i have a theory but not sure if okay for public domain...

Hmm, doesn't look like the BLB variant ...

Or was that a prototype for the rumoured tank conversion that they tried to experiment on the BX ???

My guess is that this is very likely to be a Bionix prototype. I know for sure one of the BX prototype is in Sungei Gedong camp's Armour Heritage Centre (which itself used to be the Guard House!)

The camouflage scheme and colour is almost exactly identical. I understand that such camouflage scheme is used in the past, maybe Five-Two can verify this.

It also have this white 'Bionix' painted at its side thus not a new variant which will have a new designation. This particular vehicle may be the one for the photo-shoot. One can see a 25mm BX1 turret (i think) on the right side of the pic.

If this is the rumoured 'light tank' variant then it will have some kind of a turret or at least a space to mount the turret. But clearly that is absent as well. Secondly they will have covered it up if it is sensitive.

Just to add, my initial guess is that this is the BX ICV which we have sent to US for evaluation in the past as we all know the Stryker won instead. I have google the ICV pics and from the limited and tiny pics i think this is not the ICV. The colour scheme is not the same and this one seems taller.

Just my personal analysis. :D

I was way before Bionix, only saw them once or twice before I stood down. in the old days all vehicles do no have camou paint, just the plain army green.

you guys should see what sungei gedong looks like in the early 80s. the camps existing individually as 38SCE (together with RATC, now torn down) and D801. and 46SAR is by itself. the rest are all open land and there is a bailey bridge in front of 46SAR where one 38SCE M113 overturned in mid 80s killing the new CO of 38SCE.

where the road turns in now there used to be two old shophouse (like those you find in katong with the 5ft walkway) and each sporting one kopitiam, both of which sells char kway teow :D opposite the road entrance (where the bus stop now is) stands a open air cinema. there is also a petrol kiosk just before the entrance.

when we convoy out for training at the battalion level, everyone in the shop houses will get up to watch. they can't do anything else since no once can sleep with a battalion worth of M113s roaring past their bedroom windows :rolleyes:

Yes, i recall a coffee shop just at the LCK entrance. Served some lobo time at RATC.. very switched off place.

I knew there were many people living around there in the past from the old reservists but didn't expect an open air cinema! Outside is quite deserted now.

When i was there, Neo Tiew was still inhabited with the kopitiam! Now its a Fibua village.

any idea when they tore down the kopitiam? there is also a row of shop house along track 13 (I think, definitely not track 11). there used to be some kind of school after the kopi tiam, before reaching 46 SAR.

I think many of the forumers here weren't born yet..... :)

IIRC the 46 SAR guardhouse is now the Armour Heritage Centre?

So, did you use Lee Enfield .303 or the SLR during your time? Or Bren gun or Sterling SMG?

not true leh during stand-to I can see many ahpek-class milnuts but all pretend to be just ROD type :lol:

the "real" 46SAR is all the way in where the Armour HQ / Medical Centre is (unless they moved it since… erm… the last century?) :ph43r:

I am not sure where exactly is the Armour Heritage Centre, is it near to the current main gate?

hey I use proper AR15 one ok :rolleyes: but I did have temasek green uniform and 20 round magazines.

yes basically that whole place is the Neo Tiew Village.

During my time one of the pioneer batch of tank officers, the "Camels' is still around! He was re-employed as a civilian.

The AHC is not near the current entrance, it is further in, at the T-junction with 42 and SOA on each side. Its near to the current Armour HQ parade Sq.

This is based on my memory from the last ICT which is late last year so should be still the same.

then that should be the old 46SAR guard room.

the Armour Heritage Centre has a prototype there, with the same camou paint on it...however this one has quite a number of differences from the one there, namely a mini cupola and the side exhaust, which is absent in this pic (the exhaust is on the same side, but there's a large upward facing vent...)

also, the trooper hatch is built the other way around (opens towards the back), which is unlike the present BXs...and the 2 'butt cheeks' at the back somehow remind me of the external fuel tank in the UK variant of the Bronco (Warthog) as well as, correct me if i'm wrong, those of the M113 as well...

i duno, there were 3 prototypes (according to wiki), one could be at Gedong, one in the picture on the wiki page for the BX (with a turret) whilst the other is this one? it did strike me that this variant does not seem to have a swim screen, or the rear basket for mounting the swim screen stays...

sorry, just pointing out some differences, putting my eyesight to use before myopia claims it entirely :P

If you look to the left of the photo, there's actually a chassis partially covered up with almost the same paint scheme as the BX ICV.



BTW, the chassis with a turret but no gun is still there, rusting away.

Do you need the full size photo?

Here's another, a standard BX without turret for comparison.

Maybe we'll see a Bionix III soon.

ATK offerings for 40mm Bushmaster III, 35/50mm super shot gun systems...
http://www.atk.com/ammo_PDFs/gunsystems.pdf

Too bad super 40 hasn't entered service.

With a +60 deg elevation, can the Bionix be used as a Bionix-AA?

Officially, we have these versions known:

1) Bionix (25mm bushmaster arm IFV)

2) Bionix 2 (30mm bushmaster arm IFV)

3) Bionix ICV



Iowa_BB61's camo painted Bionix have a pair of external intervened L shaped device at the rear. I wonder if it is the marine/amphibious"" version which was marketed to some other country.

Or maybe a future bionix-scout or spider-scout.

Good summary of all round vision tech available in the market
http://www.defense-update.com/features/200...ough_armor.html

Sarnoff official website. Interesting capabilities...
http://www.sarnoff.com/

more correctly it should be:

1. Bionix 25 (25mm Bushmaster)
2. Bionix 40/50 (cupola with 40AGL + CIS 0.5HMG)
3. Bionix II (30mm Bushmaster)

I thought ICV is an interim configuration for the US Army tender only?

Iowa, your pic is very close, especially in the inverted rear hatch, lack of swim screen, flared out side skirts...even the thingys on the top are pretty much in the right place...and yes, I was suspecting is might have been an amphib-capable variant...

btw both the Bushmaster 25mm and the 30mm are capable of elevating to 70deg...at that angle its called "AA mode" B)

Current trend is heavier IFV class

like the uparmoured Bradley
cv9040
puma IFV

all above 30 tons

btw, Singapore bought 55 tons L2

not so much abt weight, but more abt ground pressure per square inch...can the local terrain tahan the pressure or not...

off my head I think the L2 ground pressure is roughly the same as the BX.

adding weight (applique armor) is essential,

and of cos by using a wider track and larger track base

can spread the ground pressure...

new trend of IFVs will be above 30tons for sure

I thought that the trend these days includes lighter applique armour?

Not sure since i havent seem the AMAP up close but they are build like tiles? ERA-like?

THere's also trials on sheet like armour and you apply them on the vehiclie like a sheet on your window glass....

interesting opinion of the BX during the big wheel or track argument in 2000, by David Pyne in his " Memorandum to Secretary of Defense Designate Donald Rumsfeld: A Feasibility Study on the Chief of Staff of the Army’s Transformation Plan"

who's David Pyne anyway?
full article http://www.americanreformation.org/policy/...anklessArmy.htm

From one of his articles...

David T. Pyne, Esq. Serves as Defense Analyst for the American Reformation Project, is a national security expert, and serves as President of the Center for the National Security Interest, a pro-defense, national security think-tank based in Arlington, VA. He has served as a Country Program Director in the Department of Defense responsible for the countries of the former Soviet Union, the Middle East and Latin America and has traveled as a member of Department of Defense-led delegations to Canada, South Africa, Israel, Brazil and Argentina. Mr. Pyne is a licensed attorney and former Army Reserve Officer. He holds an MA in National Security Studies from Georgetown University. Mr. Pyne also serves as Executive Vice President of the Virginia Republican Assembly. Mr. Pyne was recently interviewed on Howard Phillips’ Conservative Roundtable TV program.

Well, given the performance of the Stryker, it seems that they are really quite happy with their choice. Happy enough to form another 2 Stryker brigades. Sometimes I wonder, had they chosen the Bionix ICV and sent it into combat in Iraq, how would things have turned out? Probably one of the advantages the troops cited, about the ability of the Strykers to arrive discreetly, would not apply to the Bionix ICV.

One would argue that with the need of the troops to dismount to fight, the low noise signature is truly important. however if operating with tracked vehicles, the fighting would be done a bit differently. Its probably why some choose to use a rubber tracked vehicles like Bronco?

Anyone knows how much noisier a Bronco is compared with Bv206?

That bags the question of why SAF hasnt officially introduced Terrex 8x8 yet into the ORBAT?

There should be more info on IFVs for infantry units soon, I hope. Perhaps after national day.

both are surprisingly quiet, however the Bronco is noisier (you can hear the loud diesel roar, as opposed to the 206 which is more of a quieter whine) due to its much bigger engine.

despite their noise advantage however rubber-tracked vehicles are almost never designed for frontline work in high-intensity conventional conflict, because rubber tracks are limited in their weight-bearing ability. no one has ever fielded a rubber tracked vehicle much above MLC20.

so right now you can't have a quiet AFV with BX-level protection, and our Broncos are meant more for 'battle taxi' transport/support roles behind the frontline, where their advantages may apply - being cheaper to operate and maintain, amphibious (much less leceh than BX!) and having higher mobility and trafficability. the latter consideration has also been important for the Royal Marines and their BvS10/Warthogs in A-stan.



AFAIK, work continues in the US and UK as part of FCS and FRES to develop rubber/polymer tracks for MLC30-40 vehicles.

thanx wd1, I have seen Bv206 during the end of my reservists and they are really quiet. on the occassions I heard a BX it has that characteristic track squealing similar to the CEV/AVLB which does not occur on the M113 and AMX-13.

Also, Broncos air-filter is causing the noise, if not it will be less noisy

as for tracks sweaking, probably is due to vehicle tonnage...

Hope this year's Army Open House will be an eye opener...

BX tracks squeak but SM1's clack and screech...the rubber pads were meant not only to extend track segment lifespan but also reduce noise produced...btw not all squeaking comes from the tracks, remember the metal teeth of the drive wheel and the slots to accomodate them in the tracks are 'connected' metal-on-metal, hence if you try turning your vehicle, its unsurprising why those sounds start coming up...